The Facts - About performance

[Iceman]

Well, I have heard my share this year of how power is declining in water blasters from Hasbro in general. Here is the facts that prove it.

Soakologist and I are phoning Hasbro tomorrow to find out from hasbro themselves as to why CPS has stopped. No theories or guesses, the 100% truth from them.

Wish us luck



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[Soakologist]

I don't know why you put a drastic decrease in power every other year. Err... you may want to revise that.
What exactly does the y-axis represent, anyway?

[isoaker]

^ Uh, in terms of no new CPS soakers being created, we HAVE been given a reason: stores didn't want to carry soakers priced above $20 USD. The CPS4100 was a special order item by TRU. Otherwise the problem lies in the overall market, not just our smaller soaker-phile niche. Now, the fact that the Water Warriors line managed to have CPS-type soakers for under $20 is more a sign of their ability to get things manufactured for lower costs than Hasbro does. However, even Big Bee, himself, has noted the price ceiling.

It sucks, yes, but Hasbro cannot make the stores buy things stores don't think will sell. Remember, you buy soakers from stores, not from Hasbro. Once a soaker is in a store, from Hasbro's eyes, it is already sold and they have made the profit. If something doesn't sell, it is the store that carries the burden of dealing with excess stock, thus the store makes decisions based on their own profit/cost ratio whether to try and sell a similar item the next year.

[Iceman]

^ Uh, in terms of no new CPS soakers being created, we HAVE been given a reason: stores didn't want to carry soakers priced above $20 USD. The CPS4100 was a special order item by TRU. Otherwise the problem lies in the overall market, not just our smaller soaker-phile niche. Now, the fact that the Water Warriors line managed to have CPS-type soakers for under $20 is more a sign of their ability to get things manufactured for lower costs than Hasbro does. However, even Big Bee, himself, has noted the price ceiling.

It sucks, yes, but Hasbro cannot make the stores buy things stores don't think will sell. Remember, you buy soakers from stores, not from Hasbro. Once a soaker is in a store, from Hasbro's eyes, it is already sold and they have made the profit. If something doesn't sell, it is the store that carries the burden of dealing with excess stock, thus the store makes decisions based on their own profit/cost ratio whether to try and sell a similar item the next year.

A good explanation, but I am still iffy, I want to here it from Hasbro themselves. I believe you Isoaker, I just want to know for good so my innerself can be the surest it can. With the graph, I kind of mislead people. I forgot to add axis labels. Guess I have been away from school too long. :p Im talking about the general power and output each model dishes out over the years, not the number of soakers. I also used the Isoaker.com stats to find the max output of each blaster of that year, and used excel to add them up and create the chart.It will be revised.

edit- got a response from Hasbro, yet another BS response like I expected. will keep emailing them.

Thank you for contacting Hasbor, Inc.

The decision to stop manufacturing a product is a marketing decision.

We appreciate your interest

edit ^^ ROFLMAO!!!! Just noticed the typo. that is an original copy and paste from the email.



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[Soakologist]

^ Uh, in terms of no new CPS soakers being created, we HAVE been given a reason: stores didn't want to carry soakers priced above $20 USD. The CPS4100 was a special order item by TRU. Otherwise the problem lies in the overall market, not just our smaller soaker-phile niche. Now, the fact that the Water Warriors line managed to have CPS-type soakers for under $20 is more a sign of their ability to get things manufactured for lower costs than Hasbro does. However, even Big Bee, himself, has noted the price ceiling.

It sucks, yes, but Hasbro cannot make the stores buy things stores don't think will sell. Remember, you buy soakers from stores, not from Hasbro. Once a soaker is in a store, from Hasbro's eyes, it is already sold and they have made the profit. If something doesn't sell, it is the store that carries the burden of dealing with excess stock, thus the store makes decisions based on their own profit/cost ratio whether to try and sell a similar item the next year.

That's still Major bull, iSc. Even if the ceiling is 20 bucks, that doesn't mean that have to push crap. They could sell an XP-150-like gun for 10 bucks easily. They could sell a CPS 1000-like gun for 18 bucks. I'd be more than happy with either of those in stores. That's no excuse to push crap like the Hydro Blade.

[isoaker]

Even if the ceiling is 20 bucks, that doesn't mean that have to push crap.

True, but while the 2004 Super Soaker line could be improved, I don't really consider it crap. All soakers are a definite step-up from the EES Series released in 2003. The main thing that is missing is more CPS selection.

However, again I should point out that I think if Hasbro could make and sell CPS soakers for good profit, they would. Doing the opposite would be silly from a business perspective. The lack of CPS means that they (or the retailers) feel they can make more money selling the cheaper soakers. If the current line isn't selling well, the stores and Hasbro, itself, will have to reconsider. Blaming Hasbro alone for poor soaker selection is being a little near-sighted. Apart from those who work or know specifics about what Hasbro proposed, just because Hasbro can make it doesn't mean that retailers must pick up stock to sell. Even in terms of 2004 Super Soakers, not every type store is carrying all of the products that are listed on the Super Soaker website.
'tis a balance between what Hasbro offers to manufacture and what retailed put orders in for. TRU requested more CPS4100s for this year. If they see good sales on the CPS4100, they'd make a good ally in persuading Hasbro to develop more forms of CPS soakers.
Just remember, while Hasbro should look for ways to lower costs to make their products more attractive to retailers, it is still up to the retailers as well to want to pick up specific products. No matter if Hasbro designs the slickest CPS-cannon, if no retailer is willing to carry it, it just won't be available to the public.

[Iceman]

Even if the ceiling is 20 bucks, that doesn't mean that have to push crap.

True, but while the 2004 Super Soaker line could be improved, I don't really consider it crap. All soakers are a definite step-up from the EES Series released in 2003. The main thing that is missing is more CPS selection.

However, again I should point out that I think if Hasbro could make and sell CPS soakers for good profit, they would. Doing the opposite would be silly from a business perspective. The lack of CPS means that they (or the retailers) feel they can make more money selling the cheaper soakers. If the current line isn't selling well, the stores and Hasbro, itself, will have to reconsider. Blaming Hasbro alone for poor soaker selection is being a little near-sighted. Apart from those who work or know specifics about what Hasbro proposed, just because Hasbro can make it doesn't mean that retailers must pick up stock to sell. Even in terms of 2004 Super Soakers, not every type store is carrying all of the products that are listed on the Super Soaker website.
'tis a balance between what Hasbro offers to manufacture and what retailed put orders in for. TRU requested more CPS4100s for this year. If they see good sales on the CPS4100, they'd make a good ally in persuading Hasbro to develop more forms of CPS soakers.
Just remember, while Hasbro should look for ways to lower costs to make their products more attractive to retailers, it is still up to the retailers as well to want to pick up specific products. No matter if Hasbro designs the slickest CPS-cannon, if no retailer is willing to carry it, it just won't be available to the public.

Well if they cannot push out CPS due to lack of money, and the fact that it needs to be under 20.00, Im still not happy with the performance. They either need to make CPS cheaper to make, or Buzz Bee Toys will take the throne with the cheaper, just as reliable Diaprapghm technology. While our old CPS technology can outgun almost any modern day blaster, Water Warriors brand water blasters can dish out and offer more in the field than "SoakerTag" guns are.



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