Max I:Overload Impressions

[Hannibal]

You two just totally missed out on the whole point of my last post, didn't you?

"but a wimpy gun is less fun to use, and people dread your 20x nozzle far more than your 2x"-Prime example of being unsporty.

"we go for bigger stronger guns, because we don't believe in our tactics"-I'm pretty sure that qualifies as straight out stupidity if you play as seriously as some of you guys say you do.

"can't win with weaker guns."-Well, that isn't the gun's fault, is it?

Everyone in the world seems to have a cave man mentality: If you lose a battle, go find a bigger stick to use in the next one. Has anyone here heard of stock class paintball? Those players (including myself) play paintball using pump actions, ten shot tubes, and 12 gram CO2 cylinders, going up against people with 20 ball per second electros, 200 count force feed hoppers, and big high pressure air tanks. It's a similar idea to playing with a smaller and/or less powerfull soaker. It proves that when you get a kill, it's you and your skill, not advanced tech or heavy firepower, but skill, something that seems to be lost these days.

And another thing, you complain about not being able to win without your huge CPS cannons. SO WHAT? It's a kid's game, the point is to have fun. I often play with no rules for eliminations, and just keep playing for hours. Nobody wins, and nobody loses, everybody has fun (except for those who take face shots from high power CPSs).

In conclusion, you keep your cannons, I'll keep the game fun.

Uhhh, I must argue that CPS cannons ARE fun. I have had several water fights, and the CPS cannons are fun to use. You also dodge more, because you actually don't want to get wet. A 2x or less stream is something you can take for 5 seconds with no difference. But no one wants a 30x blast from a CPS 2000 unloaded on them. You are saying that water fights with CPS cannons are no fun. I would say they are the most fun. Besides, the name is Super SOAKER, not Super MISTER. :suspicious:

[cooldood31]

"no one wants a 30x blast from a CPS 2000 unloaded on them"

You just made my point. No one wants to be hit by a 30x blast. It's not fun, especially the little kids who the game is meant for. And you guys say people dodge more in high power battles, but if you don't dodge in low power battles, what are you doing anyways? Standing in a field 5 feet from eachother just holding the trigger? Wow, so skilled.

Just for one day, one war, have a game with your friends with limits on soakers. Allow only a couple CPSs (unmodded) per team. Mix in some XPs, BBT soakers, and Max-d's. Try to get some people to use twin pistols. Don't use any rules for eliminations and just have fun. What do you have to lose if the competition is using the same type of soakers, and it's all about fun instead of winning and losing. Quit playing for keeps and see how the game turns out.

[Hannibal]

"no one wants a 30x blast from a CPS 2000 unloaded on them"

You just made my point. No one wants to be hit by a 30x blast. It's not fun, especially the little kids who the game is meant for. And you guys say people dodge more in high power battles, but if you don't dodge in low power battles, what are you doing anyways? Standing in a field 5 feet from eachother just holding the trigger? Wow, so skilled.

Just for one day, one war, have a game with your friends with limits on soakers. Allow only a couple CPSs (unmodded) per team. Mix in some XPs, BBT soakers, and Max-d's. Try to get some people to use twin pistols. Don't use any rules for eliminations and just have fun. What do you have to lose if the competition is using the same type of soakers, and it's all about fun instead of winning and losing. Quit playing for keeps and see how the game turns out.

I don't know anyone who has such a weak weapon as an air-pressure gun, nor do I know anyone who wants one, or would waste money on one. I have CPS battles only, and THEY ARE FUN. It's not like I'm not having fun or something, which is what you seem to think.

[cooldood31]

"I don't know anyone who has such a weak weapon as an air-pressure gun, nor do I know anyone who wants one, or would waste money on one" If that's the case, I feel sorry for you. Low power battles are some of the most fun, fastest moving water battles I've ever had.

And NEVER call air pressure soakers a waste. They are the backbone of soakerdom. First soaker ever made: SS50, pressurized resivoir, <1x nozzle. Most commonly produced type of soaker: pressurized resivoir. Best selling super soaker of all time: xp70, air pressure, 1x nozzle. If air pressures were never made, CPSs wouldn't have been either.

Edit: just a thought: whenever i show up, there seems to be a firepower debate, and I'm always the only one on the side of light soakers. Oh wait, there were others in the past, there was an article a while back on the importance of light riflemen in battles, I'll try to find it.

Edit2: You said a strong gun can make up for lack of ability?! What!? I guess that explains why you feel the need to use CPSs.



Edited By cooldood31 on 1138758563

[Some Guy]

^ You make a good point, about it not being fun to be totally overpowered in comparison to your opponent. When I'm in neighborhood fights with people I know, I prefer to use lower end guns (Argon, Lightning, XP 240, etc.). But if I could I would prefer to have CPS fights.

What I've been doing now is using a small nozzle on my 11k, not drenched immediately, but you don't want to be hit for more than a second.



Edited By Some Guy on 1138759905

[isoaker]

After many general battles and hands-on experience, my own preference is mid-sized soakers (though some would call these small) such as XP310s to WW Blazers.. largest to be used would be a CPS1000 or CPS1200. Larger cannons are great for intimidation and drenching, but for longer games I've been involved in, I've found that it's no good if my opponents are soaked completely too soon as they give up. Have them a little wet and that makes 'em yearn to retaliate and continue.

I understand for those who do 1HK games, greater power and range are definite assets which is why more powerful soakers are sought. However, from what I've seen with the more casual water war, it's the light-to-mid sized soakers that end up having longer lasting skirmishes simply due to the fact that no one gets immediately soaked if they do a wrong move.

That said, I still believe there is a good time/place for virtually all soaker-types. I judge soakers more on how I feel how it should perform for the market it's intending, not just on what would be 'optimal' for the more passionate soakers found on Soakerdom forums.

That said, the Overload feels relatively well balanced in terms of water power compared to the Defender. Its large stream feels a little underpowered, but it's normal stream setting seems alright. Payload thanks to the backpack is very good for a soaker of its size. It would be nice if the CPS chamber were a little more potent, but I'm not expecting CPS1000-type performance from a blaster thats probably close to the size of an SC500.

[DX]

Oh wait, there were others in the past, there was an article a while back on the importance of light riflemen in battles, I'll try to find it.

Belisaurius wrote it, the co-commander of Waterbridge. However, firepower mixed with skill defeats light guns, as proven last year with the Ridgewood Militia's 5 wins to WB's 1.

You can keep going with your stupid push for power, calling the soakers put out now "kiddy" and "underpowered", but you fail to realise that that's the point. WATER GUNS ARE DESIGNED FOR KIDS, FOR FUN. It's not an arms race. When the first Super Soaker was made, no one went and complained "Oh come on, it doesn't even shoot 60 mls per second!". If I started using homemades and big powerfull heavily modded super cannons, no one would play with me. Why? Because it wouldn't be fun for them. A 2x stream lowly? No. It's just more fun.

To some it is more than just a silly game. We are one of the last bastions of hardcore water warfare, we play for score, a battle of wits, tactics, manuevers, and skill.

You said a strong gun can make up for lack of ability?! What!? I guess that explains why you feel the need to use CPSs.

In my team, we use tech to enhance natural skill. I am deadly with a good gun. I am even more deadly with a better gun. You have to have the natural skill or learned skill in place first, otherwise even with the best of guns you will be swept from the field.

More later, sorry, I have no time...



Edited By Duxburian on 1138760466

[m15399]

How does the fan blast feel? Is it about the same as the 3s, or better? I'm a big fan of fan blasts :;):

[isoaker]

Fan blast on the Overload is ok, but its power fades fairly quickly. It's definitely no Flash Flood-type blast. However, I really haven't put the blaster through more paces yet so it's still a little too soon to talk about how the different stream settings feel.

As for the pump question asked in the Defender thread, the Overload's pump is mounted. It does not have any oddness about it apart from being on the shorter side.

[Hannibal]

"I don't know anyone who has such a weak weapon as an air-pressure gun, nor do I know anyone who wants one, or would waste money on one" If that's the case, I feel sorry for you. Low power battles are some of the most fun, fastest moving water battles I've ever had.

And NEVER call air pressure soakers a waste. They are the backbone of soakerdom. First soaker ever made: SS50, pressurized resivoir, <1x nozzle. Most commonly produced type of soaker: pressurized resivoir. Best selling super soaker of all time: xp70, air pressure, 1x nozzle. If air pressures were never made, CPSs wouldn't have been either.

Edit: just a thought: whenever i show up, there seems to be a firepower debate, and I'm always the only one on the side of light soakers. Oh wait, there were others in the past, there was an article a while back on the importance of light riflemen in battles, I'll try to find it.

Edit2: You said a strong gun can make up for lack of ability?! What!? I guess that explains why you feel the need to use CPSs.

I am gonna be buying a Blazer soon. That is a little weaker, and I'll be fighing against some Pirahnas.

But I really don't see the point of a lighter gun. I can sprint with my 1700 and 2000, so I am not low on manuverability. I can conserve water with both, as well. Do you consider Pirahnas low-powered? Do you consider the Blazer low-powered?

I wouldn't want to waste money on a low-powered soaker because I would get drenched in every war. CPS's have better range than air-pressure, and it's not like everyone I know will suddenly get an air-pressure just because you say it's more fun.

BTW, do you even have any CPS guns? ???

I can do pretty good with a weaker gun like my brother's Pirahna, but there is only so good you can get. The CPS power means you can get beyond it, and take advantage of CPS to be better than you ever could with air pressure.

[isoaker]

Guys, this thread is for the Overload discussion, not why CPS or air-pressure or whatever is the 'better' choice for a water fight. If you guys wish to discuss why one is 'better' than another, please start another thread. I'd like to get this thread back on topic. Thanks!

[Hannibal]

Guys, this thread is for the Overload discussion, not why CPS or air-pressure or whatever is the 'better' choice for a water fight. If you guys wish to discuss why one is 'better' than another, please start another thread. I'd like to get this thread back on topic. Thanks!

Ok. Sorry. :laugh: So, have you done any more tests or took some pictures? I'd like to see some close-ups on the gun.

EDIT: Would you be able to move the off-topic disscussion to a new, different topic? I found the topic interesting myself. :p That would free up this topic for the Overload disscussion, which is also important.



Edited By Hannibal on 1138764308

[Hannibal]

I get an error when viewing the Overload review. Here it is: (it's rather long ) You can delete this post when it's fixed.

The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error.
Please contact the website administrator.

[m15399]

That's because the Overload review hasn't been written yet.

[Hannibal]

That's because the Overload review hasn't been written yet.

Then why does it do that funky thing? I think the review was written but he did something wrong.

[ZOCCOZ]

While the 2006 line makes me giggle like a sarcastic drunk, from an intellectual standpoint I can see how using CPS for small models is rational. Hence, the result in the Overload(They could have picked a less ironic name I should say.)
Being born in the 80s, most SS battles I have done where with airpressure models, and I have to say that I rather use a large Airpressure(SS300) over a large CPS(CPS1500). You get more power for your pump. I also would say that if I ever have to use a very small soaker(XP150 sized), then I rather use a small CPS with a 2x nozzle over Air Pressure(max-D whatever). Again, you get more power for your pump.
So if only SS would bring out a 3 Litre PC(perhaps 5-7 PCs) AirPressure model, I would have no problem with their current line. I have no problem personaly in itself with their small CPS(exept their sucky trigger) since I don't buy small soakers anyways( I still generaly consider the 2006 SS line as pieces of sh*t in the historical SS evolution scale), but its anoying if they market them as "the big cannons"(Its basic bull).



Edited By ZOCCOZ on 1138791798

[isoaker]

I get an error when viewing the Overload review. Here it is: (it's rather long ) You can delete this post when it's fixed.

The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error.
Please contact the website administrator.

As m15399 noted, there is no Overload review. The soaker database is trying to grab a file does not actually exist, thus it cannot be loaded.

Next week, hopefully, for the full Overload review.

[LIGHT ANNIHILATOR]

Wars are fun when they are had with guns of the same class. A war with blazers, piranahs, 1000's, 1200's, and 2100's, can be just as fun as a war with Large cps class and monsters. But think about this, one person with a 2500 goes up against 3-5 people with blazers/ piranahs, and soakertag's; It would work; So stop complaining about overpowerd guns and have the damn war's already.

[cooldood31]

L.A., I wasn't complaining about the large guns, I was defending my choice of lighter weapons and saying that the OL had decent firepower for it's size/purpose. If you want to continue this conversation, send me a pm, we messed up this thread enough already

[Hannibal]

L.A., I wasn't complaining about the large guns, I was defending my choice of lighter weapons and saying that the OL had decent firepower for it's size/purpose. If you want to continue this conversation, send me a pm, we messed up this thread enough already

While the Overload has a purpose, and the nozzles and size meet it, it could have been made to shoot 40-50 feet at least and have a BIT larger PC. Those are improvements Hasbro has no excuse for not doing.

The name Overload IS ironic. The 3200 KILLS the Overload. If anything is overload, it's the 20x nozzle on the 3200. The 2-3x nozzle on the Overload in NOT an overload.

@iSoaker: What's the estimated PC size in ml in the Overload?