Battle of the guns

Discussions of all varieties of stock water guns and water blasters.
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by darthmeow » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:57 pm

I vote for the 3000, but the hydro cannon can be modded to be quite powerful. Stock, you are right it has no chance. :cps3000:

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by the oncoming storm » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:14 pm

3000
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:56 am

I vote for the cps 3000.

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:06 am

I voteote again for the CPS 3000,so it win !

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:56 am

Match 7 : Super Soaker Monster (2001) 5 VS Water Warriors Vanquisher 0
The first to 5 vote win !

I vote for the monster.
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by darthmeow » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:32 pm

Can you specify if it is the 2000 monster x MK1, or the smaller 2001. Either way, I think it is a tie. The Vanquisher has more than twice the PC capacity, way longer shot time, but nowhere near the output. I have not fired a vanquisher, but I think they are actually fairly evenly matched.

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by soakinader » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:55 pm

Umm OK let's look at some stats:
Water Warriors Vindicator: 3L reservoir, 600mL PC, max output: 5oz/s Length 2 feet (Medium size, heavy weight)
Water Warriors Vanquisher: 3.2L reservoir, 1350mL PC, max. output: 3oz/s Length 2 feet (Medium size, heavy weight)
Super Soaker Monster: 2.1L reservoir, ~600mL PC, max. output: 9oz/s Length: 2 feet (Medium size, weight)
Super Soaker Monster X: 3.1L reservoir, ~550mL PC, max output: 12 oz/s Length: 3 feet (massive size, heavy weight)
Note that I pulled these numbers out of my head, I don't care if they are off a little bit. The point of the matter is, as much as I like the Vanquisher, it's quite underpowered and it's simply a different class of gun than either Monster. I wouldn't care to compare the two, but if I had to, I would pick either monster over the Vanquisher 9/10. The Vindicator, on the other hand, would be a close match to the Monster/Monster X.
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by darthmeow » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:15 pm

Okay, I vote for the Monster. Since you have both, I trust you if you say the vanquisher is not able to compete against the monster series. I am just so confused as to why the MX has less PC volume than the 2100 despite the 2100 being half the size...

What about the vanquisher makes you like it? Is it the balance of it, or the shot time that makes it a good blaster?

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:50 am

And I vote for the monster again, so it win !

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:08 am

Match 8 : The battle of the titans !
Super Soaker CPS 2000 :cps2000: 5 VS :cps2500: Super Soaker CPS 2500 4
The first to 5 vote win !

I vote for the 2500. Even if the 2000 is more powerful , the 2500 has nozzle options, and a longer field life than the 2000.
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by DX » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:37 am

2000. Way easier to land a hit on a 2500 with a 2000 than land a hit on a 2000 with a 2500. The power gap grows as you move from the average, individual model to the top-performing, individual model, as 2000s are more variable. An average 2500 shoots about 43ft, average 2000 around 49ft, a 6 ft gap. Top 2500 shoots around 46ft, but a top 2000 shoots almost 55ft, a 9ft gap. Larger streams are less affected by headwind and more affected by tailwind, thus the 2000 has superior performance in a larger variety of weather conditions.

The 2500 only has the advantage in a soakfest, where the 2000's shorter field life matters the most. In a 1 on 1 duel, OHK team game, or any other game shorter than 25 minutes, the field life is usually irrelevant. In other team games longer than 25 minutes, team support reduces the 2000's need to shoot and extends its field life. Many 2500 users actually don't switch nozzles very often, if at all. The multiple nozzles are one reason the 2500 has lower range (the bladders are identical to the 2000).
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by darthmeow » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:07 am

2000 due to longer range, and slightly better reliability.

Maybe we should make it so each person can only vote once? It would let more people vote that way. If not, this system does work fine, just an idea.

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by the oncoming storm » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:31 am

DX has forgotten his old 50' CPS 2500 that he used in the ridgewood malita vs water bridge wars

Vote for 2500
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by DX » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:19 am

"Last drop" ranges. I never had a 2500 shoot more than 45ft effective range and one of them was like 40ft.
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:56 pm

darthmeow wrote:2000 due to longer range, and slightly better reliability.

Maybe we should make it so each person can only vote once? It would let more people vote that way. If not, this system does work fine, just an idea.
in the beginning I was thinking about doing so, but in the next rounds it wil be more and more votes necessary for a gun to win , so I think I'll leave this system.I don't think 20 will vote in the final round.

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by SEAL » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:25 pm

I vote for the 2000. The 2500 lasts longer, but that only really matters in longer rounds, not duels. The 2000 shoots farther and can do so with a stream the size of a human fist.
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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:57 am

i vote again for the cps 2500.

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by isoaker » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 am

ShadowG78 wrote:Thanks SEAl but there is no button.
Yeah i realize it,And i will change your vote. I just thought you had pity for this gun.
This thread really could have benefited from a few polls (though, I'll also admit we've been seeing a larger number of polls recently).

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by darthmeow » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:52 am

I vote again for the 2000.

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Re: Battle of the guns

Post by ShadowG78 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:27 pm

I vote again for the cps 2500.

isoaker: thank you very much ! I have just a question.Can i delete the poll ?


EDIT: there is no poll creation tab.I have only "options" or upload attachement.
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