CPS 3000, or 3200?

[Fishfan]

If I was going to buy a CPS 3000 or 3200, which would I buy? Is there any performance difference between the two? I don't think there is, but, I just wanted to make sure. When I get enough money to buy one, I can get one. I do know that the CPS 3200 has strenthened hose conections, and that is why I am thinking of getting the 3200.
P.S. On iSoaker.com it says that the 3200 does have less performance than the 3200. Is that true?

[SEAL]

I heard the 3000 is slightly more powerful than the 3200, but I'm not sure if that's true, seeing as they're pretty much the same blaster with different backpacks and colors. The 3200 holds more water, but the 3000 is more comfortable (of course, you could stick a 3200 backpack into a regular backpack, so the comfort problem can be easily solved.).

Overall, I think they're so similar that choosing between one or the other is based purely on preference, though maybe someone who has had experience with both can give you a recommendation.

[Poseidon2000]

3000's 20x is gushier than the 3200. the 3000 is slightly more powerful, however the 3200 has more PC space. I'd actually recommend the 3000, but right now there are a bunch of 3200s on ebay.

[Fishfan]

I think I am going to get the 3200, as there is no 3000s on ebay or on this marketplace except one (which is to expensive for me, I'd prefer to get a used one.) I also heard the 3000's backpack straps are too weak, and since it is soft it is probably harder to put in another backpack.
Another thing, it said on iSoaker the CPS 3200's level range at best is 16 ft. Is that true?

[Poseidon2000]

Mine is about 23. Depends on how used the 3200 you're getting is.... I think. :p

[SEAL]

iSoaker's range stats always seem to be on the lower side. His XP 270 got around 30 feet, and mine got around 40. A lot of it depends on the particular gun, but I think the reason iSoaker gets lower stats is because he rounds to the nearest meter. His CPS 2000 MK1 has the range listed as like 49.36' or some weird number like that, but under meters it says exactly 15. It's because of this that I don't usually go to iSoaker.com for range stats.

Also, I never pay attention to level range; when you're fighting you almost always point the gun slightly upwards when you shoot.

[Fishfan]

Okay, so where would I go for accurate ranges? is seems SScentral sometimes doesn't have all of the statistics.
On the 3200 on SS central it doesn't even have angled ranges.
If I am not satisfied with the ranges I think I will just replace the PC.

[Poseidon2000]

3000-3200 ranges aren't fa tastic, about 35 feet max. Not impressive for CPS, but the streams are the largest, not strongest, I've seen besides a 2000 and homemades. Seriously, the 3000's 20x only gets 25 feet, but it pushes out about as much as the 2000! Collossus or replacements are kind of needed in this situation. 25 FEET- CPS 2000 OUTPUT! ???

[DX]

Okay, so where would I go for accurate ranges?

Hydrowar has the most accurate ranges at the moment.

[Poseidon2000]

aka marauder's site. Try out the quizzes, they're kind of interesting!

[marauder]

http://hydrowar.com/cps3200.html

For ranges:
http://hydrowar.com/rangedatabase.html

Don't count out iSoaker's stats, iSoaker in fact, has reviews for a greater variety of models than probably all other sites combined. However, when you only review one of each model it's quite easy to get statistical outliers. I haven't tested as many models as iSoaker, but I have tested multiples of almost every model I have reviewed; so the range stats are usually more acurate. With that being said, it's still possible to be off after testing a few models. I tested 2 CPS 3200s and found max range to be 45 feet - on par with every 2500, 1500, and 1700 I've tested; however everyone else I've talked to has never used a 3200 this powerful. I think Duxburian told me that the ones he's used were more on par with the 2700 and 4100/Monster. So in this case, it sounds like iSoaker got a 3200 that's lower powered than average, and I had 2 that were greater power than average.

I plan on greatly expanding my range database, so I highly recommend going back to it for any questions about range. It's the most acurate out there, but it's never going to be more acurate than getting multiple opinions.

[Fishfan]

Okay, Thanks!

[DX]

Nibordude's 3200 only shot like 40ft at most. Typically, I have 2 3000s and 2 3200s that I have never range tested at all.

[Poseidon2000]

40FT. is the typical range of a 3000/3200.

[marauder]

Shoot... I should never have let those 2 get broken. We seriously abused those guns. 45 feet! They were beasts.

[Fishfan]

How did they get broken?

[isoaker]

For what it's worth, I round to the nearest 0.5m when doing range tests. All blasters tested are fired between 3-5 times and ranges are averaged based on the result. Of course, unlike M4, I usually only test one blaster and if that blaster is performing better or worse than the average, well, you get outliers. More tests on more blasters is always preferred to getting a better sense of what the average is, but then again, whatever the average is doesn't matter when it comes down to the blaster YOU end up using. Your blasters ends up performing the way it does regardless of whatever the average may be. You can then say whether your blaster is better or worse, but relying statistics measured on others blasters to remain true for the blaster you actually have won't work. As with any statistic presented, what others measure is not always what you end up seeing; take all stats with a grain of salt.

What would help more is not just averages, but measure of variance between models (how wide is the spread between different blasters tested). If 30 blasters are tested all fall within 3-4 feet (1-1.5 meters) of each other, chances are better that a newly acquired one will behave similarly. If 30 blasters tested show differences beyond +/-10 feet (~3.5m), the likelihood of another blaster achieving at least average range is significantly less. However, to get that level of stats is difficult since one needs many blasters, preferably from many different lots, to test. While we can try using compiled stats provided by the membership, I still think we're still short of a decent sample size for any particular water blaster.

[Poseidon2000]

Hmm, It's all greek to me. I go by my eyes, tapemeasure, hands, and people. My 3200 shoots the 2nd farthest in my armory, 40 ft. Then it's 2500, at 47 feet at 5x, 48 at 10x, and 45 at 20x.

[marauder]

How did they get broken?

I received one as an early 14th birthday present (they were still available in 2001) and we put it through all sorts of abuses over the next 2 years. Including the first "colossus mod." I had really no background in modding, we just went crazy, and I put those bike inner tubes over it. We also disassembled the gun and connected it to a hose in several front yard battles. Left it outside... just awful stuff. The next 3200 I received from XN aka Commander Dave when he "retired" from soaking. Unfortunately I was not much older, and we tried to due a different backpack mod and ended up breaking the connection between the hose and the gun. I think I ended up selling it to GJIV like that 2-3 years ago.

It's good to see that new/younger members are a lot more responsible and knowledgeable when it comes to modding these days.

What would help more is not just averages, but measure of variance between models (how wide is the spread between different blasters tested). If 30 blasters are tested all fall within 3-4 feet (1-1.5 meters) of each other, chances are better that a newly acquired one will behave similarly. If 30 blasters tested show differences beyond +/-10 feet (~3.5m), the likelihood of another blaster achieving at least average range is significantly less. However, to get that level of stats is difficult since one needs many blasters, preferably from many different lots, to test. While we can try using compiled stats provided by the membership, I still think we're still short of a decent sample size for any particular water blaster.

It's interesting how some guns have so much variability and some models tend to act all the same (aside from weathering and amount of care given). I've seen XP 150s shoot anywhere between 30 and 37 feet. I wish I had held on to my XP 150 that shot 37 feet, I don't know what happened to it. You can imagine how disappointed I was when the last 150 I bought only shot 33. It's only 4 ft difference, but I feel like at 37 you can challenge some CPSs, you can dodge in and out, but at 33 feet you are kind of screwed. Also, SEAL's XP 270 MAY just possibly shoot 40 feet like he said. My fiancee has a 270 that shoots maybe 32, but then again, it's kind of beat up. In one of the 1hk air pressure only rounds of Downpour 2011 it ended up coming down to SEAL vs John (BoogieBoard2). John had his XP 270 and Jack said, hey use my 110, it's better, so John switched. Generally, I would consider an XP 110 better than a 270, but what we didn't know was that John/SEAL's 270 was such a positive statistical outlier.

DX and I have had conversations similar to this lately. At this point, we decided, it's not just enough to own certain models. We will trade/sell/buy our guns until we obtain what seems like top performers for each model we want.

Hmm, It's all greek to me. I go by my eyes, tapemeasure, hands, and people. My 2500, at 47 feet at 5x, 48 at 10x, and 45 at 20x.

That's insane, every 2500 I have tested shot 45 feet, and since our 3200s, 1500s, and 1700s also shot 45 feet we always preferred those due to their longer shot times/greater PC capacity.

[Poseidon2000]

Yeah, It just sparked when I took the selector off and nudged the laminator over a bit. It looked like 2 mashed up straws...