CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

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Which is your favorite?

CPS 1000
2
20%
CPS 1200
5
50%
CPS 2100
3
30%
 
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CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by marauder » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:13 pm

Vote and explain WHY you made the choice that you made. Also, I know there are multiple marks of each gun. Assume that you are comparing the most powerful/best marks.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by isoaker » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:34 pm

All are solid, light-class CPS weaponry, but my fav. of these three would be the CPS 1000. I just recall enjoying its performance and general feel to be more appealing to me than the others. The CPS 1200s I've handled sometimes felt like they pushed their streams out a little harder and the CPS 2100 is smaller and lighter. However, in the end, there was something particularly magical about the first generation (1996-1998) CPS series.

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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by DX » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:43 am

CPS 1200. Thing tap shoots forever. 1000s and 2100s need to refill noticeably more often. 1200 HPL on its best mark is also ridiculously good. The gun overall is very well made, compact, and durable. They don't break unless your username is SEAL. As detailed in another post, my 12K has been through the worst crap possible over a long period of time and it's still perfectly functional. I don't like stock 2100s, but they work as loaners because they rarely break. The extreme k-modded monsters were wicked fun. I actually don't like 1000s. The grip is kind of awkward and the HPL isn't great. Then again, I don't know if I have the best mark in my arsenal, have not shot every 1000 that I own.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by cantab » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:38 am

I can't favour either of the 1000 and 1200 over the other. The 2100 comes third IMHO, thanks to no strap, worse one-handed balance, and being a bit smaller capacity-wise.

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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by atvan » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:10 am

Currently I'm partial to the 2100 (its the only one of these I own, as well as my only non broken CPS). It has size capacity, and the tracked pump going for it. The 1000 looks to heavy to me, and I never really liked the look of the 1200, though I recognize it's potential.

One of my favorite things about the 2100 is the tap pump ratio of very close to one. Combine that with a tracked pump and the name by some, "the shotgun of the CPSs," as well as the fact that it is small enough to be more comfortable holding it with the pump extended, and you get a wicked baddonkey feeling. :goofy:
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by HBWW » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:43 am

2100 lacks a particular minor design flaw of previous blasters; reservoir intake. When capacity reaches low (about 1/5th or less of the original capacity) on the 1000, 1200, and others, the capacity is no longer usable since the water sloshes around and always lets in a ton of air. It's a darned waste of unnecessary weight too and the only fix is an intake tube mod.

The pump type is irrelevant for me. The free pumps are a bit more durable (due to proper design), but still break easily at the hands of careless users. Power-wise, it's difficult to say due to differences between even the same model/mark. However, k-mods almost always help, but I'm unwilling to remove the PRV so it's really up to that part. (The 1200 so far has proven to have the best PRV for k-mods, from what I've used. It could just be coincidence though.)
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by martianshark » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:18 pm

The only one I've used is the CPS 1200. I hear it's not as powerful as the others, but it does have the longest shot time.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by SEAL » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:55 pm

A little while ago, my brother and I were discussing this. I'd often wondered which was better of the 3, and by the looks of it, it's all a matter of opinion.

martianshark: Same here. I used to have a 2100, but that was years ago, and I can barely remember anything about it.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by isoaker » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:17 pm

CA99 wrote:2100 lacks a particular minor design flaw of previous blasters; reservoir intake. When capacity reaches low (about 1/5th or less of the original capacity) on the 1000, 1200, and others, the capacity is no longer usable since the water sloshes around and always lets in a ton of air.
Never recall experiencing this problem when using my CPS1000. The intake hole at the base of the reservoir seemed to work well for me.

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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by DX » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:22 am

You know you have too many guns when you can examine the reservoirs of all three because you have three open ones lying around, but I just did that and can say that the 2100's is definitely the best designed. The hole is at the bottom instead of horizontal. One thing I didn't consider before is that if we're taking the best mark, it won't be that fair for the 2100. Who's ever owned a 2100 MK1 other than me and KingSoaker? Its bladder is physically larger than any other 2100, so it's not a trivial difference from a 2 or 3. I'm not sure how it stacks up to a 1000 or 1200 at their best. It's not a dramatic difference, unless one's 2100 is a dud. In that case, the difference in range can be as much as a dozen whole feet against an MK1. I don't know how much variability exists in 1000s or 1200s, but since they have good and bad marks, there's probably similar range disparities.

Point is, the only way to make a really informed decision is to actually fire the top marks of all three guns. I have the top marks of 2100 and 1200, but am unsure about my 1000s. From SSC info, it appears that they must be opened to tell the difference?

This could be an interesting project, although stats alone obviously are not the only factors. I still prefer tracked pumps, but not for durability. I've never had an unguided pump break, ever. Some of my guns have been used heavily and loaned out heavily, but a pump has never snapped. Now, the tracked ones broke all over the place. The stock bar is plastic and that doesn't last, it needs to be replaced with a long screw. I prefer tracked because they can take more abuse. You can slam them back and forth faster and harder when you're in a jam, especially once you've replaced the bar.
(The 1200 so far has proven to have the best PRV for k-mods, from what I've used. It could just be coincidence though.)
So far, this has held true. From existing data, a 1200 MK1 can stomach at least 45 balloons before the PRV opens. At 35 balloons, it does not open and you can fill the PC to the walls. This, I believe, is why the sweet spot for a light K'd 1200 is 30-35. Higher amounts would normally produce more power, but the PRV opens before you hit the walls, so you get less expansion. Even 2 pumps earlier reduces the range. My 10K PRV opens with 40 balloons and I can't tell when because each stroke sounds the same. However, it produces ranges that are comparable, though slightly less than, my 12K. Thus, 1000s can come with high HPL as well. Wetmonkey has a light 21K, so ask him about 2100 HPL. I don't think it's that great on MK3s and nobody knows what it is on MK1s.
The 1000 looks to heavy to me
Looks like someone needs to hit the weight room. Or the stat sheet, because the 1000 is lighter than the 2100 when empty. I don't know the comparison when full. The 1200 would be the heaviest of the group simply because its reservoir is larger. Regardless, lifting will greatly increase your water warfare abilities. When I entered high school, I struggled to deadlift 65 pounds and when I graduated college I could deadlift 325 pounds. And I'm still so skinny and small that you'd never guess that the 325 happened. If you want that 1000 to be light, power lift. It doesn't make your muscles physically larger like lifting for hypertrophy, but it makes what you have much stronger.

For reference, it appears that iSoaker has a really good 2100 MK2, good 1000 of unknown mark, and horrible dud of a 1200. Is it at all possible to revisit the 1200 in your review and see if it's an MK1 or MK2? 26ft is worse than a dud 2100. And if my 12K with 35 balloons shoots in the mid 40s (and farther than my 10K that hits 44.16ft), then it definitely wasn't shooting in the 20s stock.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by marauder » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:20 am

It's funny how nostalgia can play an important role in determining what you like the most. The first CPS gun I ever had was a 1000, and every other kid in the neighborhood was afraid of it. The largest guns we used up to that time were XP 150s. I didn't get to use it in the first Vermin War, as I loaned it out to someone protecting our base. I did have one with me at the 2nd Dominator War, but ended up using XN's 2000 instead. In fact, the only gun out of the series, which I have used in any major war, is the 2100, which saw service in 2 or 3 wars.

With that in mind, it's the gun that I never used - the CPS 1200 - that I like most. It comes down to 2 things: it's more comfortable, and it has a larger capacity. It holds 6 oz more than the 1000, and 16 more than the 2100. The pressure chamber holds 2 more oz than the 2100. When you fire your entire pressure chamber, this is not much of a difference, but if you just tap the trigger, this gives you a good 3 to 10 more bursts (or more if you pressurize the chamber before topping off the reservoir again.) If you look at the photos I posted on our FB, 1200s are far and away the most common blaster in the Hydrowar album.

I really like the tracked pump on the 2100, and I've never seen a tracked pump break. Not saying it can't happen, just that it hasn't happened in front of me.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by DX » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:02 am

In the RM night battle in 2006, Ken was using some kind of 2100 (don't remember if it was stock, k'd, or the 10/2100 integration) but anyway the reinforced bar (a screw) slid out mid-battle. Since it was dark, the enemy did not notice, so while the rest exchanged heavy fire, we got down on our knees and inspected the ground desperately trying to find the screw. Eventually we came up with a stick that fit in the holes and was pretty strong, so he used that as a pump bar for the rest of the night, lolz.

If you want to see tracked pumps break in front of you, you need to make really heavy 21Ks. Every single one I made with 70 or more balloons had to have its bar be replaced with metal. The plastic one can't take the added force.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by atvan » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:38 am

So you have problems with them, nobody else does. :P
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by SEAL » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:34 am

Who's ever owned a 2100 MK1 other than me and KingSoaker?
Mine might have been a MK1; I brought it in 2002.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by HBWW » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:30 pm

isoaker wrote:
CA99 wrote:2100 lacks a particular minor design flaw of previous blasters; reservoir intake. When capacity reaches low (about 1/5th or less of the original capacity) on the 1000, 1200, and others, the capacity is no longer usable since the water sloshes around and always lets in a ton of air.
Never recall experiencing this problem when using my CPS1000. The intake hole at the base of the reservoir seemed to work well for me.

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You can see that if the reservoir is not angled perfectly and constantly, the water will slosh about and eventually almost always miss the intake hole which causes a lot of air to get pumped in.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by marauder » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:08 pm

I see what you mean, and I do like how the 2100's reservoir is set up. It just demonstrates that there's really no 1 perfect gun. The 2100 has a tracked pump, a well designed reservoir, and the greatest HPL? The 1200 holds more water and has a comfortable pistol grip and handle. A lot of people would say the 1000 has the best colors and or has the strongest rubber CPS bladder.

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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by DX » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:30 pm

HPL isn't fully known for all the versions of these guns. The 1000 does probably have the strongest bladder, which is why the 10/2100 integration produced such great results. That night battle was pretty good considering it was only 5 people on an open field. I'm still in favor of a 24 hour war where each team's sleeping area is fair game all night.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by isoaker » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:57 am

Is it at all possible to revisit the 1200 in your review and see if it's an MK1 or MK2?
Nope, not possible for a long while due to how deep in storage it is.

@CA99: I understood you originally, but just noted it never was as much of a problem for me. With your diagrams, I can now explain why I don't have as much trouble. Usually, when firing, I hold my blasters angled upwards which pushes water to the back of the reservoir. As I avoid pumping when firing (unless goofing around), I don't end up pulling in air due to the opening's placement. As well, for whatever reason, I tend to lower the nozzle when pumping, putting the water in the reservoir into the right place to be drawn into the opening. I agree that the opening on the CPS1000 is not as good as the CPS2100's, but when it comes to my experiences with it, that's far from a deal breaker and I'd most happily buy another CPS1000 even if both were available to buy. :goofy:

As for my CPS1200 having such poor range stats, I have a suspicion that its nozzle is defective, but I won't be able to confirm that for a long time. I'm glad that mine appears to have been the odd one and that others have much better experiences with that model. In the end, though, I still much prefer the lines and styling of the CPS1000.

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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by HBWW » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:54 pm

I don't think my original illustration really got the point across. xD

Now granted, the "GOOD" reservoir is actually pretty crappy itself; the intake ought to be on a curve instead of on a flatter part. Doesn't matter which curve it is though, as long as you know where it is when using.

Of course, it is by no means a dealbreaker, but it is an extreme annoyance should your water supply run low. In fact, I didn't even notice it except during blaster testing while trying to get the last few drops of water out cleanly.
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Re: CPS 1000 vs 1200 vs 2100

Post by DX » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:11 pm

Now I'm hungry for mashed potatoes...
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