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Post by Soakologist » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:08 pm

I just received an NIB 2500 off of eBay yesterday, so I decided to do some range testing with it and a CPS 2000 Mk. 2 to see if they really did have the same power. What I found was that the CPS 2000 did in fact shoot about 5-7 feet further than the CPS 2500 (on 20x, of course), putting to rest all doubts of a Mk. 2 being "merely" as ranging as a CPS 2500. This is, however, not the incredible part of the story.
I decided to have a little fun and try range testing my CPS 2000 Mk. 1 with a 2500. What I found was that the CPS 2000 only shot about two or three feet further than the 2500. I found this peculiar, because it seemed like my Mk. 2 had outperformed my 2500 by a wider margin. So I decided to test my Mk. 2 and Mk. 1 against each other. What I found was most startling...

My Suspicions were correct.

In a side-by-side test, a CPS 2000 Mk. 2 actually shot further than my Mk. 1, by about 3-5 feet. This wasn't the only confirmation. I took out my other Mk. 2 in stock and found out that it actually shot even further, outranging my Mk. 1 by nearly seven feet.
I was shocked. However, this is indeed the case. My conjecture is that the Mk. 2 uses stronger rubber than the Mk. 1, leading me to believe that the CPS 2500 actually uses an entirely different PC than the Mk. 2. Otherwise, the 2500 would also outperform the Mk. 1. However, while the Mk. 2 does outrange the Mk. 1, I found that the Mk. 1 does in fact throw out a higher output rate than the Mk. 2. In a half-second test, I found that the Mk. 1 put out 15 oz. in a half-second while the Mk. 2 put out 12 oz. I also tested my other Mk. 2 (The one with more range) and its output registered at 11 oz. in a half second. My CPS 2500 only outputted 11 oz. as well in the half second.

I will be shipping a CPS 2000 to iSc (given he accepts) as soon as he arrives back home so he can confirm this startling discovery, though I am sure that he will reach the same conclusion.




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Post by SuperStormer » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:27 pm

That is truly amazing. Just to think people paid extra for a gun that had a shorter distance...
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Post by Space_Cowboy » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:52 pm

That isn't all that suprising actually. I never really believed that a MK-1 shot any further than a MK-2, and guess what...
...I was right! :goofy: Thanks for finding proof to my theory Cloud. :cool:




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Post by Soakologist » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:59 pm

Can't keep a good man down, I suppose...

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Post by Field Marshal Yang » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:28 pm

Does this make the Mk. 2 an intentional improvement by Larami on the Mk. 1 or simply a prodcut of a different rubber that Larami put in just because they switched their lineup-wide rubber?
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Post by Soakologist » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:44 pm

Good question.
But I think that the PC on the 2500 is genuinely different from the 2000 mk. 2's.

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Post by Soakologist » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:06 pm

...***THIS JUST IN***...
Further range testing proves that the 10x on a CPS 2500 shoots further than either CPS 2000.

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Post by Field Marshal Yang » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:47 pm

Soakologist wrote:...***THIS JUST IN***...
Further range testing proves that the 10x on a CPS 2500 shoots further than either CPS 2000.
Which makes the 10X shot on the 2500 one of the beat all-around streams due to their power over the 5X, water conservation over the 20X, and better range than the 2500. Too bad they're only available on ebay.
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Post by Soakologist » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:50 pm

If only the 30/3200 could match the range of the 2500, that'd be a nearly flawless gun, eh?

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Post by Iceman » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:19 pm

Technically you did a good experiment. However is is still a Hypothesis, and has to be proven by others, many others for it to be proven a theory. I could run the same exact test and get completely opposite experiments. Until then, it remains a good idea. Not all guns were made equally, I can tell you that, there will be at least 1 thing different about them, and that 1 thing (variable) can throw the whole stats off.



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Post by Soakologist » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:55 pm

That's why I'm going to ship my Mk. 2 to iSc so he can test it aside HIS CPS 2000 (his is a Mk. 1).

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Post by Drewsky92 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:34 am

You know, every gun is different. My 2500 shoots farthest on the riot blast (no selector), not the 10x. Oh, and did anybody with a 2500 notice how the blast sort of goes into a fan formation with the 20x? My 2500 didn't do that untill 2 weeks after I got it. Weird.

Edit: The WEIRDEST thing just happened. I was shooting my 2500 w/o the selector (tap shots), and I got FIVE FULL POWERED SHOTS(once again, tap shots)! On the 20x I only get 4, and the last turns into a dribble! So I really got 6 shots (just one was under-powered)!




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Post by Nick » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:38 am

Haha, that's interesting........my Monster2000X(that's the new name for the CPS2000/Monster X hybrid) has the msot powerful PC available in it with a gallon capacity and 6 different nozzles, plus a backpack.......bring it on! :cool:

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Post by SSCBen » Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:05 am

my Monster2000X(that's the new name for the CPS2000/Monster X hybrid) has the msot powerful PC available in it


Soakologist already has proven that the mk. 1 had a more powerful PC because it's output was 15 ounces a second, compared to the mk. 2's of 12 ounces a second. The mk. 1 still is more powerful. Here I think the mk.2's nozzle is smaller than the mk. 1's, and that gives it a range boost.

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Post by Iceman » Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:23 pm

Doom wrote:
my Monster2000X(that's the new name for the CPS2000/Monster X hybrid) has the msot powerful PC available in it


Soakologist already has proven that the mk. 1 had a more powerful PC because it's output was 15 ounces a second, compared to the mk. 2's of 12 ounces a second. The mk. 1 still is more powerful. Here I think the mk.2's nozzle is smaller than the mk. 1's, and that gives it a range boost.
15 ounces and 12 ounces isnt much of a big difference, so dont be coonfused while going into testing, the Mk1 is more powerful by a smaller amount, and yes Doom is correct. :)
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Post by Soakologist » Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:21 pm

Au Contraire, it IS a big difference. 25% difference. That's the difference between a Classic and an XP in terms of percentage, and the difference between a Classic and a Splashzooka in terms of raw soakage stats.

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Post by Field Marshal Yang » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:01 pm

Doom wrote:Here I think the mk.2's nozzle is smaller than the mk. 1's, and that gives it a range boost.
Hmm... I remember thinking about how the additional pressure created by a smaller nozzle would push up the range. So what's the prefeered characteristic of a soaker, output or range?
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Post by DX » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:11 pm

I would prefer range, especially if the enemies' guns can match your output. Range is also more important in 1HK, I couldn't care less about output in those situations.
You know, every gun is different. My 2500 shoots farthest on the riot blast (no selector), not the 10x. Oh, and did anybody with a 2500 notice how the blast sort of goes into a fan formation with the 20x? My 2500 didn't do that untill 2 weeks after I got it. Weird.

Edit: The WEIRDEST thing just happened. I was shooting my 2500 w/o the selector (tap shots), and I got FIVE FULL POWERED SHOTS(once again, tap shots)! On the 20x I only get 4, and the last turns into a dribble! So I really got 6 shots (just one was under-powered)!


Err....when you do tap-shots, you really should pump back to full after every shot. Don't tap shot without repumping. Taking tap shots until pressure runs out is like holding down the trigger for the duration of the shot. A waste. True tap shooting invloves never having to pump the gun back to full from nothing. You should never get down to the dribble. Take a shot, pump a few times. In that way you can get up to 50 tap shots [CPS 2500] without ever having pressure fall to zero. Anyway, my 2500 shoots furthest on the 5x. The 20 goes only 30ft, and the "riot blast" [the 20x is more like a true riot blast] goes about 40ft. Shows how soakers really do vary.
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Post by Hyperion330 » Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:30 pm

Iceman wrote:... I could run the same exact test and get completely opposite experiments ... Not all guns were made equally, I can tell you that, there will be at least 1 thing different about them, and that 1 thing (variable) can throw the whole stats off.
That's called the theory of complexity/the chaos theory. It deals with unpredictability in complex systems. In other words, something tiny, like a small clump of dust in the tubing, could drastically affect the range and output of a blaster. It is said that one flap of a seagull's wings could change the earth's weather permanently. My thoughts on the whole matter. :cool:
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Post by Nick » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:32 am

Who would win if it came to a fight between a Mk.1 CPS 2000 and a MK.2 CPS 2000? That'd be a really good fight.

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