MXL or CPS2K? - MXL or CPS2K?

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MXL or CPS2K? - MXL or CPS2K?

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1
13%
CPS2K
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88%
 
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Post by hydroblitz » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:43 pm

MXL or CPS2K? Because some people say the CPS2K's nozzle is 20x and some people say it's 30x. And the MXL's nozzles are 2 11.5x which equals 23x. So the question is, MXL or CPS2K?
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Post by isoaker » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:49 pm

Output ain't everything. Don't go by the "x" numbers alone since output does not include distance the stream can go. A bucket of water being flipped can have a 100x output, but a range of only a few feet or so.

For a better way of comparing true power behind a soaker stream, multiply the output by the range and compare those numbers.

Moreover, can't compare soakers just on power, either. The MXL is much larger and heavier to wield than the CPS2000. However, the CPS2000 is 4 years older meaning that its CPS chamber is also 4 years older and potentially more likely to fail.

I personally prefer the CPS2000 over the MXL, but the MXL draws a lot more attention for newer water warriors than the CPS2000 does.

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Post by HBWW » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:53 pm

I would also take the 2000, it's just more ergonomical and better designed. However, the MXL has significantly more water capacity (with a 1L pressure chamber and total capacity greater than even the 2700), the only guns with more capacity being the backpacked CPS 3000 and 3200. The MXL has less range, and 1 good stream is almost always better than 2 so-so streams. (though at least you can turn off one of the MXL's nozzles)
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Post by cobralex297 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:54 pm

If my goal was to be power alone in battle, I would choose the 2000, as it outranges the MXL and has a more powerful stream. As isoaker just said, the MXL is much more imposing. Having recently acquired an XL, I had been quite excited: i'd read all the reviews that said it was heavy and hard to use, and i just thought: "I'm a big guy, it won't matter"... but let me say, it is VERY hard to use effectively in battle. I would prefer the 2000, although the MXL is definitely a staple of any large collection.

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Post by hydroblitz » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:58 pm

No, my TRUE question was, what is the CPS2K's nozzle rating?
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Post by cobralex297 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:01 pm

i think it's 28x

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Post by ZOCCOZ » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:13 pm

No, my TRUE question was, what is the CPS2K's nozzle rating?


CPS 2000 Mk1: 28X
CPS 2000 Mk2: 21X

Keep in mind not the entire PC is being emptied in a shot since some water still remains in the PC.




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Post by hydroblitz » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:16 pm

Oh, ok. Thank-you for clearing that up.
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Post by SSCBen » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:15 pm

The CPS 2000 is a much better water gun in not only terms of power, but actual usefulness in a water war. Let's ignore issues like ergonomics though and focus on power.

Going by measured statistics and not reported statistics, a different picture emerges. The CPS 2000 has 15 meters of range with 849 ml/s of water output, giving the CPS 2000 a score of 12,735. The Monster XL on the two 11.5X nozzles has 9 meters of range with 577 ml/s (which is actually less than 20X) of water output, getting a score of 5,193. What matters a lot in power is range, and the Monster XL loses huge because it simply is not as powerful. Looking at things like pressure created you will also see a big win for the CPS 2000.

Now, to compare against what is possible, my homemade water gun Supercannon II gets a score of 83,625 on it's regular nozzle. On the riot-blast, the numbers are well over 200,000. Water gun power definitely can be improved upon.

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Post by hydroblitz » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:35 pm

Yeah. And another question, if you do the mod to the CPS2.7K, will it be better than the CPS2K?
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Post by SSCBen » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:58 am

If you do which modification to the CPS 2700? There are a lot of modifications you know. Better is also a very subjective term, but I will assume you mean raw power. :)

If you K-mod the CPS 2700 and remove the PRV and nozzle selector, I would not be surprised if you match or exceed the performance of the CPS 2000. A careful nozzle drill also might help increase the power. The problem with modifications is that some water guns can not handle the additional stresses as well. CPS 2700s are notorious for cracking firing valves. So, I would recommend a lighter K-mod of maybe only 30 to 40 balloons with no PRV removal if you were going to modify it. That would get perhaps 70% of the power possible from the K-mod without too much of the PC capacity disappearing.

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Post by hydroblitz » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:37 pm

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Post by SSCBen » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:57 am

That alone is fun to do because it gives you a pretty big stream. That stream must be 3/8-inch in diameter. But, it doesn't have CPS 2000 type power because the pressure chamber doesn't generate CPS 2000 type pressures. If you do that and a K-mod, you can match it. However, I would not recommend putting more than 30 to 40 balloons on due to potential firing valve damage that is common with the CPS 2700. I also would not recommend a check valve freeze to prevent the firing valve damage as well.



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