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by wetmonkey442 » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:09 pm
Actually, my thumb has a diameter just below 2 inches.
Sounds like I will have to pick this gun up. Any info on store availability? I'll have to check my local stores.
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by wetmonkey442 » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:51 pm
...I hope you knew I was joking.
I'll check my local stores. Usually stores in my area start stocking blasters mid April. I can't wait to get into that Defender! Something about the look of it hints at really strong internals. Something tells me that the PC can be expanded, and that a larger reservoir can be accomodated.
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by isoaker » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:12 pm
...I hope you knew I was joking.
No worries.. I saw the ":goofy:".
Not sure what the internals on the Defender are like, but the outer casing and styling feel rugged enough.

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by Crashdummy » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:35 pm
wetmonkey442 wrote:Something about the look of it hints at really strong internals.
That is why I want one, and also why I said it could possibly be the CPS2100 of air pressure guns. 
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by Soaker Master » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:33 pm
I think that the Defenders are cheap for 10$. I am probably going to buy one very,very soon. I need somebodys opinon,which one is better the CPS 2000 or the CPS 2500. I have heard some people say that the CPS 2000 is better. But,then I have also heard that the
2500 is better because of the multiple nozzle selections.
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by Crashdummy » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:37 pm
2000 if you are 1337 or a sniper, 2500 if you are new to soaking and don't know what tap shots are. A little off topic though. :p
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by Hannibal » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:03 pm
Crashdummy wrote:2000 if you are 1337 or a sniper, 2500 if you are new to soaking and don't know what tap shots are. A little off topic though. :p
True enough. 
I still don't understand how you hold the defender... iSoaker could you post a pic of you holding it?
And iSoaker why do you never post stream pics? Or pics of you firing the gun? 
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by isoaker » Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:19 am
iSoaker why do you never post stream pics?
I've never been happy with the pictures my digi-cam can take of a firing stream. Thus, never a good enough pic that I feel is representative of the soaker firing.
As for holding it, it's basically held in the circle formed by your thumb and index finger. The rest of your fingers just end up curling around the bottom. If you look at the guy on the front of the box holding it (Box 01 image), that's pretty much how one's hand ends up curling around the bottom. In the end, it's still better to feel it for oneself.

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by Hannibal » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:18 am
isoaker_com wrote:iSoaker why do you never post stream pics?
I've never been happy with the pictures my digi-cam can take of a firing stream. Thus, never a good enough pic that I feel is representative of the soaker firing.
As for holding it, it's basically held in the circle formed by your thumb and index finger. The rest of your fingers just end up curling around the bottom. If you look at the guy on the front of the box holding it (Box 01 image), that's pretty much how one's hand ends up curling around the bottom. In the end, it's still better to feel it for oneself.

OK. It looks like you kinda curl your fingers around it? Is it really all that comfortable?
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by isoaker » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:37 am
Is it really all that comfortable?
Comfort depends on the user. I find it comfortable and would believe that many others would as well, but I'm sure there will always be those who don't necessarily like it.
Let's just put it this way; when I first saw the handle, I thought only 5-year-old kids have hands small enough to hold it. After actually trying it out, I now realize that a 5-year-old would actually probably have a tough time holding it (since the diameter of the grip plus the trigger is likely larger than a typical 5-year-old's hand), while I had no problems, having the blaster more-or-less cupped in my right hand with my index finger on the trigger. Nice thing, too, is that one can use one's left hand if left-handed just as easily.

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by wetmonkey442 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:55 am
Another potential advantage of a handle like that is durability. I would think that the handle would be a bit more stable than a convential handle. I know that normal handles have a tendency to crack if dropped on a hard surface. The design of this handle suggests that the force of the gun being dropped might spread out more evenly across a larger area.
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by XP20Warrior » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:16 am
I might get one this week.
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by Hannibal » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:52 am
How does the Defender compare to the Pirahna? They both are the same price, I believe. Which would you prefer, iSoaker?
I got some coupons from Hasbro, and will proably be using them to buy a soaker. While the Defender is clearly done for when facing a CPS cannon like I have, I might as well not let the coupons go to waste. 
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by isoaker » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:59 am
Hannibal wrote:How does the Defender compare to the Pirahna?
Compare 'em: Piranha VS Defender
Let's see... the Piranha is larger, has a CPS-like chamber, has three nozzles, holds more water, has a larger PC...
The Defender is a solid, smaller soaker. However, dollar for dollar, methinks the Piranha would win, especially if sold for the same price. The main advantage of the Defender is that my hand fits much more comfortably on the grip than in the limited space provided on the Piranha.

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by Hannibal » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:15 pm
isoaker_com wrote:Hannibal wrote:How does the Defender compare to the Pirahna?
Compare 'em: Piranha VS Defender
Let's see... the Piranha is larger, has a CPS-like chamber, has three nozzles, holds more water, has a larger PC...
The Defender is a solid, smaller soaker. However, dollar for dollar, methinks the Piranha would win, especially if sold for the same price. The main advantage of the Defender is that my hand fits much more comfortably on the grip than in the limited space provided on the Piranha.

I was looking for a range comparison. The Pirahna clearly has better stats, but did the Defender have considerably (like 5-10 feet) superior range I might get it. It looks like there is almost no point in getting a Defender for $10 when you could get a Pirahna for $10.
It appears the only real advantages of the Defender over the Pirahna are a smaller size (which may be a disadvantage with the decreased stats involved), and comfort. :p
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by isoaker » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:28 pm
Ranges.. well.. for the Piranha, it's basically like the Lightning so you can likely use those stats. Haven't had a chance to do range measurements for the Defender (it's -3C outside, maybe close -10C with the windchill); a little too cold to do ranges for me. 

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by Hannibal » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:52 pm
isoaker_com wrote:Ranges.. well.. for the Piranha, it's basically like the Lightning so you can likely use those stats. Haven't had a chance to do range measurements for the Defender (it's -3C outside, maybe close -10C with the windchill); a little too cold to do ranges for me. 

Alright, you're excused.
I just had a big storm come through yesterday and Monday, with 40mph winds. A tower crane at a nearby mall was knocked down.
And another storm should be in tomorrow. But nothing like up there. 
I think it's highly unlikely that the Defender has longer ranges than the Pirahna, but who knows.
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by Soaker Master » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:15 pm
I have now made a decision that I am probably not going to buy the Defender. But, I am going to center all my money on ebay for my soakers.
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by Crashdummy » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:59 pm
Eh, $10 isn't much. It is almost like a "Why not" soaker. It could possible have good range.
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