Range vs Soakage/Output - ^

[marauder]

While perhaps there is still some griping, in general the ranges are about the same if not better than the old CPS guns, partially due to the innovation of the Max-D trigger valve.

Better than the old CPS? I'm doing an article on Hydrowar on the farthest shooting guns. I took out a bunch of guns, and got some people with lots of guns and did extensive testing. That means lots of shots, we even had several of a few guns, and we even tested them side by side with other guns. You wanna know what the top 5 guns were?

#1 CPS 2000 51 feet
#2 CPS 1500/1700 45 feet (both shot the same distance)
#3 (tie) CPS 1200 42 feet
#3 (tie) CPS 2500 42 feet
#5 CPS 3200/3000 41 feet

The top five guns were all made before 2003. This years CPS guns were tied for 17th I think. I don't see where you're getting your data from.

[DX]

#1 CPS 2000 51 feet
#2 CPS 1500/1700 45 feet (both shot the same distance)
#3 (tie) CPS 1200 42 feet
#3 (tie) CPS 2500 42 feet
#5 CPS 3200/3000 41 feet

That is really surprising to me. I've done range tests with my guns, and my CPS 2500 has reached 50ft and change, at a 45 degree angle. Shooting side by side, Nibor's 2000 does not outrange my 2500 by 9ft, as your tests say it should. The difference was less than 5ft.

What I also find strange is that your data shows that a 3200 only shoots 1 ft less than a 2500, but my 3200 shoots more than 5ft less than my 2500. Neither have mods that affect range. In addition, my CPS 4100 shoots around 43ft.

I do tests using a long tape measure on level ground, all at a 45 degree angle, all with roughly the same conditions. I don't think my measurements are off by that much, but comparing my stock guns to those, my ranges are higher or lower by 2-8ft. ???

[emperor_james]

Notice that I said "in general" and "about". My Max-D 6000 shoots about 3 feet farther than my CPS 2100, and about the same as my CPS 3200. Humongous surprise that the guns are so much bigger have a longer range, that is not the question. The soakers today are not being bashed for their range nearly so much as they are for their output.

[isoaker]

I'd have to say that range comparison is a tricky thing, especially when dealing with older blasters that have been treated differently over the course of the years. From my own tests, my CPS2500s were only getting around 40' max ranges at best, never beyond 45' and definitely not >50'.

Then again, I've also heard of people's soakers getting stronger or weaker as time went on. That's where more stats from different people come in handy. Stats like volume and dimensions are fairly consistent, but ranges and output likely vary more than we're willing to admit between soakers of the same model and year.

[Aquarius]

Just for fun, has anyone ever shoved a pressure gauge over the barrel of a CPS and pulled the trigger? It would be neat to graph how this relates to distance.

[Lt.Winters]

Hmm...I'd prefer both, since anyone who tries to mess with me I'll show'em my super duper huge output on my gun. Then get accused of cheating, get vote kicked, find a nice far place and bring out a blaster with a range that defines the laws of physics.......you get the picture. :p

[isoaker]

The problem with this question, though, is that it doesn't address that some may have limits on what would be deemed acceptable for either range and/or output or perhaps an acceptable range for a given output. Some may feel a 5x shot going 75' would be sweet, but consider a 5x shot going only 20' rather lame. However, if it was a 90x shot going 20', perhaps less would complain about that particular matching.

[LIGHT ANNIHILATOR]

I think they are both equally important, but there are only 2 guns that have both (cps 2000 and cps 2500) and not everbody has one of those. The best thing in my opinion is to have a high out-put soakfest gun, and then a long range 1hk gun so you can select the gun that would be more useful for that perticular war.

[m15399]

Range.

If there is some requirement like a fist sized mark on the shirt then output would matter a little more.

[DX]

but there are only 2 guns that have both (cps 2000 and cps 2500)

There are not just 2 guns with both, you are limiting yourself to stock soakers. Anybody can get a gun with high output and long range, sometimes for less than the cost of a stock gun with neither.

If I wanted guns for either game type, I would have a long range, high output gun and a long range 1HK gun. Range often trumps output. In a soakfest, you also want range so you can hit the enemy more often without as much return fire.

Either way, those whom don't do Tech shouldn't be that concerned with long range, as only going stock implies that you are willing to accept whatever ranges the companies want to put in [which is not much].