Max Ds are Inferior

[marauder]

I've been wanting to post this for a long time. Why did Hasbro make the Max D trigger system like they did? Is it supposed to increase range? Most of the Max D guns I have used have broken in around a year. How many guns you might ask? 2 Max D 5000s and 2 Max D 6000s not to mention my friend's Max D Hydroblade. That's alot of guns. Especially considering how many people I know who own Max Ds, that's 5/9 guns breaking so far. XPs never did that, heck I think my classic guns might have even lasted longer. When you really look at it it's not the trigger system, but what it pulls, so I could say the whole nozzle valve thingy (not sure what to call it). While I've had XPs, CPS, and Classics which have leaked through the nozzle a little bit I was almost always able to fix them, whether using the rubber band trick, a little bit of grease, or just pushing things around with my fingers. I haven't been able to fix any of these Max Ds. I took apart my friend's Hydroblade 'cuz he wanted me to fix it for him, but I don't know what to do. If anyone has any ideas please let me know.

[wetmonkey442]

The Max D performance is IMO much superior to any xp or classic's performance. THe action of the ball valve makes for an extremely quick liquid release not acheieved with a normal exhaust valve. However, the valves on Max D's are extremely touchy and have a tendecy to break, simply due to the more agressive motion involved in opening a ball valve. If your ball valve breaks, you're screwed. Their is not much you can do otherwise. I have tried increasing the tension on the trigger valve return springs, but to no effect. Greasing the inside of the vlave could improve performance, but it would be really hard to do, and the results would be minimal. Basically, if the ball valve get's stuck (and they often due), it is due to inproperly sized plastic components that do not slide easily against each other. There is really nothing you can do when you ball valve get's stuck halfway through a rotation. I am lucky in that all of the MD guns I have owned in the past have worked fine.

[Adrian]

My friend's MXD 6000 quit firing a couple of times, water still in the chambers. I think what we finally did was hold the trigger down and spray a hose down the nozzle. Seemed to work.

I've had only 2 bad experiences with them, that 6000 and a friend's 3000 which has a loose pump. Absolutely no tension in it, I always think its broken, but it pumps ok.

Adrian

[marauder]

I'll have to try shooting water down the nozzle with a hoze. Thanks. Basically I don't get any resistance from any of the guns when I pull the trigger. Water comes out of the nozzle when I pump each gun. I could always fix that on my XPs and Classics. Also, I don't really see where you find Max Ds to get better range. Isoaker does say that the Max D 6000 gets 7-8 feet more range than the XP 310, but when it comes down to a gun that gets 7-8 more feet of range for only a year vs a gun that will last 5 years or more I'm going to go with the latter. My XP 55 lasted me 7 years, my CPS 1500 is going on 7 years and still running, my XP 105 lasted 6, my sister's CPS 1000 is going on 5 and still running, heck I'm going on 4 years with my Classic 40, and my brother got 4 years out of his New and Improved SS 100. That's at least twice as long lasting as any Max D that I or any of my friends have owned. I'm just kicking myself 'cuz the Arctic Shock relies on the same technology. What's more, I battled a heck of a lot more when I was a kid, before Max Ds were out, and so those guns got way more use. I had maybe 10 battles last year. Ok so this is turning into a rant and I'm making myself mad over something that did not happen recently (well within the past month) so I will rest my case. Actually I won't, here are some more guns that have lasted a long time: My friend's CPS 1200 (5 years and counting), my other friend's CPS 1200 (4 years and counting), and my CPS 3200 (5 years and counting). Oh yeah, and one of my friend's CPS 2500s that is goign on 6 years.



Edited By marauder_4 on 1110508340

[hunter]

Yes, I had this problem once before, there are three options: 1)to sretch the spring on the trigger valve tighter
2) remove all the fancy stuff from the valve and leave the lever that opens it, then use a rubber band to keep it closed, then use string to attach it to the wire that runs to the valve, due to the configuration of some guns, it will not always work
3) email hasbro and demand a new gun



EDIT: @ m_4, where do you get the smoke bombs?



Edited By hunter on 1110511097

[isoaker]

Max-D trigger valve system: Inferior in terms of durability, but better in terms of potential performance. Of course, as M4 noted, longer lasting blasters would be preferred. IMO, they need to find a way to make the valve system more durable.

[vaporizer]

I'll have to try shooting water down the nozzle with a hoze. Thanks. Basically I don't get any resistance from any of the guns when I pull the trigger. Water comes out of the nozzle when I pump each gun. I could always fix that on my XPs and Classics. Also, I don't really see where you find Max Ds to get better range. Isoaker does say that the Max D 6000 gets 7-8 feet more range than the XP 310, but when it comes down to a gun that gets 7-8 more feet of range for only a year vs a gun that will last 5 years or more I'm going to go with the latter. My XP 55 lasted me 7 years, my CPS 1500 is going on 7 years and still running, my XP 105 lasted 6, my sister's CPS 1000 is going on 5 and still running, heck I'm going on 4 years with my Classic 40, and my brother got 4 years out of his New and Improved SS 100. That's at least twice as long lasting as any Max D that I or any of my friends have owned. I'm just kicking myself 'cuz the Arctic Shock relies on the same technology. What's more, I battled a heck of a lot more when I was a kid, before Max Ds were out, and so those guns got way more use. I had maybe 10 battles last year. Ok so this is turning into a rant and I'm making myself mad over something that did not happen recently (well within the past month) so I will rest my case. Actually I won't, here are some more guns that have lasted a long time: My friend's CPS 1200 (5 years and counting), my other friend's CPS 1200 (4 years and counting), and my CPS 3200 (5 years and counting). Oh yeah, and one of my friend's CPS 2500s that is goign on 6 years.

If water comes out from the nozzle when it's pressurized, open it up, and replace the trigger valve spring with a rubber band. You'll have to play around with different size rubber bands and how many times you wrap it around the 2 prongy things inside the gun that the TVS usually clings to.


^ I fixed my MD2k that way.

Below is proof that the '04 line makes you dumb.

:wb1: :bmhelix:
^wrong way stupid...



Edited By vaporizer on 1110820060