Great xp vs. bad cps

[Poseidon2000]

I'm in a very big dilemma here. If i had the choice, would i get the xp 250, or cps 4100?
air or elastic? reliable, or unreliable?
which one would you prefer?
Would you mod one?

[isoaker]

It all depends what you plan on using it for. The XP 250 is good, but it is not as rugged. The ones I've managed to get my hands on were in mixed condition; one truly broken.. then other works, though I'm not sure it performs at full capacity which is why I haven't done a review on it. The CPS4100 is a good blaster, though it behaves more like a CPS1000 with a nozzle selector. Both blasters, being older, have possible structural or sealing issues. The CPS4100's chamber may be more worn while the XP 250's seals may not be as tight as they used to be. However, if both worked as close to "new" condition, I'd still probably lean towards the CPS4100 if you had to choose. Of course, if you don't need to choose, why not get both? One or the other could be re-sold on eBay to make up for the cost.

[Poseidon2000]

well, i do have the money, but then that would screw up my plans on the cps 3200/3000.

The 250 is in somewhat better condition; it wasn't used regularly, and it it got slipped back in the box.However the seller doesn't have pics of the xp.
the 4100, like all other 4100 sellers, say " ****&%@%@#! WORKS GREAT, JUST REGULAR WEAR****^&&%^$%&*%$"

xp250 review:

Up for sale is the 1993 Larami Super Soaker Extra Power XP250 with original box. This XP 250 is in great shape and works PERFECTLY.

The box displays very well. One of the cardboard inserts is still here (one for the front of the gun). There is the a hole in the box as shown (On the bottom).

The gun works perfectly. I tested it. The strap is here so I'm pretty sure it is complete. There is NO sun fading at all. Seems it was played with and slid back in the box for storage. Very tough to find these classic big guns! Especially working and with a box.

CPS 4100 review:

Vintage LARAMI SUPER SOAKER CPS 4100 Water Squirt Gun

In Excellent Condition. The plastic has no yellowing and the stickers on the gun are still intact and in pristine condition. Carrying Strap is Included!
Item Works Well and has Good Water Pressure and Pump works well too


Manufacturer: Larami Ltd./now Hasbro Inc.
Item Number: 9980-0
Copyright Date/Release Date: 200/2002
Availability: No Longer Made


Weight: 1700.00 g (60.07 oz.)
Reservoir Volume: 2180.00 mL (72.67 fl oz)
Firing/Pressure Chamber Volume: 580.00 mL (19.33 fl oz)
Pump Volume: 36 mL (1.03 fl oz)


Blaster Dimensions: 29.53 in x 6.3 in x 11.81 in

Manufacturer: Larami Ltd./now Hasbro Inc.
Item Number: 9980-0
Copyright Date/Release Date: 200/2002
Availability: No Longer Made


Weight: 1700.00 g (60.07 oz.)
Reservoir Volume: 2180.00 mL (72.67 fl oz)
Firing/Pressure Chamber Volume: 580.00 mL (19.33 fl oz)
Pump Volume: 36 mL (1.03 fl oz)


Blaster Dimensions: 29.53 in x 6.3 in x 11.81 in

Look at where they stole that from!
http://www.isoaker.com/Armoury/Analysis ... s4100.html
http://www.isoaker.com/Armoury/Analysis ... nster.html

[isoaker]

If you're buying to use, I'd still lean towards the CPS4100 as opposed to the XP250. If you're buying to resell later, both have pros and cons, but XP250s are a little rarer, though a little less sought after in a sense.

[marauder]

I'd go for the 4100. Even if you end up having PC problems you can replace the bladder with LRT. The 250 is a great gun, but it's a level below the 4100. The only stock AP gun that's more powerful than a 4100 is the 300.

With that being said, I think it's possible with a few guns to mod your way to that level of performance. I plan on epoxying one of the fan nozzles on the 275 I get from DX, drilling the other out to 5x, and expanding the PC capacity to 40 oz. I think I should be able to pass the 40ft mark with this mod. My goal is to be able to hit 40 ft on dual 3x and to be able to hit 43 on single 5x. These figures are just guestimates at the moment though, since I haven't tried out the 275 stock. I also plan on further modifying my XP Pool Pumper Blaster. This is an incredible gun. It has 40 oz of PC capacity but it's so well balanced and the PCs don't stick way up high like on the 300. The entire nozzle piece is the exact same size as the 1000/1200/2100 although the nozzle aperture is the exact same size as an XP 70. Despite the small size of the nozzle it still puts out about 2x or more up to 39 feet. I was very impressed with this. Since the nozzle piece is the same size as the 1200 it's perfect for a multi-nozzle mod, which I plan on doing. If it already gets 39 ft with what is essentially an XP 70 nozzle, there's no reason I shouldn't be able to hit 43, 44, maybe even 45 feet with a larger nozzle. I can't wait to find out.

The point is, there's really only 1 AP gun that surpasses the 4100 in performance, and it's so big (+ lever trigger) that you're going to have more difficulty dodging with it. The 250 is a good gun, and with modding, like the 275 or PPB it could possibly reach 4100 levels of range and power; but the 4100 will still have little to no stream drop off (CPS), it will still have a trigger (do a reinforcement) instead of a lever, and it will still most likely shoot further on 8.5x than a modded 250 could.

[Poseidon2000]

thanks for the heads up. now, im hoping to acquire a 300 and 3200 on craigslist, get that 4100 and maybe i'll have enough money for a 2100, 1200, or maybe a 1500 when it pops up. 4 great guns to level-up my armory/armoury!


oh, and im still relatively new to "sciency" water warfare, so what's LRT? i know its some sort of pc

[marauder]

If you have all these guns and you live in NYC... you should come to the Community Water war just 2 hours up the road, or come to the battle in Conn this Dec.

[Poseidon2000]

i would if i could..... what's the youngest age there? (cuz i'm definitely no where near your age, but i could hold my own in wars w/ stock guns.)


back to topic, would anyone like to list an xp or classic that they just love, or a cps that they just hate?

(plus if anyone here is bidding on the ss300 on ebay, i just want this one from the classics, you could buy anything else, but not this. no, seriously, ppppllllleeeaaaassseeee. )

[marauder]

Last year Jon (Boogieboard2) was the youngest at 12. This Fall my nephew Danny is going to be the youngest at 8. I'm also bringing my 12 year old nephew. I think the first time any community members met up at a war was Dominator War 2. I'd link to it on Hydrowar, but I'm in the office so I can't access the site. Check it out, it's a good read. Anyway, I was 14 and my bro was 11. Most everyone we met up with was 17 or 18, but we held our own pretty well.

Also, how are you able to get so many good old guns at your age? I'm impressed.

[SEAL]

I also recommend the 4100. If the 250 is anything like the rest of the XP series (barring the 300.), the stream is probably much smaller and not as hard-hitting as the 4100's (plus the 4100 is more practical than the lever-trigger 250.). Just be careful; later-model 4100s (from 2004, I think.) have extremely weak triggers that apparentely break within the first few uses. If the gun you're looking at is used and still works, you probably don't have anything to worry about. For more information, look under Marks on this page.

I agree with marauder; if you're in NYC, you should definitely think about coming to one of our community wars. They are extremely fun. The age range is usually around 12-25. I find it doesn't really matter how old you are though. We don't treat younger members like babies or anything.

[Poseidon2000]

right now im keeping my eyes on 3200s and 300s. i found a pretty hidden 3200 that has no backpack.[the soaker's going to help me with that] . if i have leftover $, i'll see if i could get a 1200 4100 or monster. for a kid that's 11, i'm pretty impressed at myself too. the main thimgs that helped me achieve this were:
hard work
dedication
isoaker.com
ssc
WWn
during christmas/hannukah/kwanza i asked people for $ instead of things [ besides this nifty 3ds that im posting this on] because i didn't know what i wanted. i also gained allowance and some community jobs that dumped enough cash to start my new hobby .... water warfare. i first started w/ the monster looking knock offs and md 2000 and 6000 hand me downs. then the rest of the story gets complicated which comes to the present day where i have 2 cps's 1 ww 2 nerf that i regret completely, mr IRON MAN 2, and am now a member of this beloved place

[DX]

1200s go cheap, you could pick one up for less than $30. Best in its class and when modded, better than a 4100 in many ways. If you can find a Monster 01, take that over a 4100. 4100 > XP 250. While the 250 is a powerful and rarer model, it's not all that practical and kind of awkward to use.

[Poseidon2000]

ive been thinking about 1200 just because im better and faster w/ my 1000. and i think a paint job and a 20 balloon k mod would be great[ dont want pump to end up like rock wall and then mod THAT too].


okay.... back to topic, shall we? icoulda sworn i put this in specific blasters so i could get to the main q a few posts back... isoaker mighta moved it, but it doesn't say moved for me. maybe just plain recklessness for me.


is there a xp or classic that you truly love in performance or in another way, that you think is better than one of the cps's shaky qualities?

[DX]

SS 300, but that goes without saying. The 275, 250, 200, 150, 100, and even 310 can contend, but are not in the same league as CPS. As for CPS I dislike, the 1-3-5 has horrible balance and a weak bladder for its size, the rest of its quirks being more easily dealt with. The 1000 lacks field life. Performance-wise, I'd still take any CPS over any XP, other than 300. In a long, drawn out battle with smaller CPS, I might opt for the 275 or 250 though, having incredibly long field life.

[soakinader]

DX, you took the words out of my mouth... except there's no XP 100... and you mean the SS 200, right?

There's an SS 300 on ebay? Hmm.... Wow, that looks just like mine. Finally, time to see what that's worth...

I have to say, the XP250 is one of the best XP's ever made, but even a "bad" CPS is still a CPS. Any four-digit CPS blaster is better, in a way. The 4100 in particular, has the same symmetric diamond-shaped nozzle selector (which I like for some reason), but has more useful nozzles and way more power overall. I personally would pick the XP 250, because it is impossible to find one, let alone a nice one that was "barely used and slid back into the box" (paraphrasing here), whereas 4100's are everywhere it seems. The 4100 is the better blaster, though.

[DX]

SS 100 and 200. There have been so many 300s for sale this year, it's unreal.

[soakinader]

I don't know about the SS100/200 being a "Great air pressure blaster", they were at one point but wouldn't an XP110 ouperform the SS100??
I will say, however, the unscrewable pressure chamber. THE UNSCREWABLE CHAMBER. You can take a reservoir chamber from another classic soaker, slap it on the back of the 100, and pressurize it like crazy for super long shot time.... except that the output is still less than 1X.
The 200 at least has up to 1.5X and a carrying strap... so alright. I like it, but I would put it below everything but the 100.
I like the XP310, but isn't the MAX-D 6000 better? I have one, and it is a pretty good blaster, it really does get excellent ranges. According to isoaker.com, it outranges the XP310 and has more output. 'Nuff said.