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Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by Me_Soak_U » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:50 am

I'm looking for advice on how to use my 1700. Basically the same as what obese panda asked. When he got such good answers I figured why not give it a try? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by Obese_Panda » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:08 am

I'm not sure totally how well the CPS 1700 shoots but I do know I can reach pretty high so with that you might want to be aggressive in battles because the CPS 1700 can't reach very far ( correct me if I'm wrong). Most of the time the game type matters how you play in a battle but with that gun you might want to be more aggresive. Thanks Though!! :cps2500:
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by Me_Soak_U » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:11 am

Though different guns vary, I think it hits like 3 feet less than the 2500. Thanks for the input!
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by atvan » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:39 am

Vs a 2500- use speed. He can beat you at shot time and output. Make him spin in circles, firing wildly. Run in for a shot and pull back befor his stream reaches you. If he stays on 20x, just outlast him with 5x.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by Me_Soak_U » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:46 am

Actually I think I outlast him shot time wise. His firing chamber is 2/3 the size of mine. Thanks for the advice
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by atvan » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:51 am

Then keep on 5x and tap-pump to victory.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by martianshark » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:07 pm

CPS 2500 users have to watch out for people with guns like the 1700. It's almost as powerful, but it's lighter. You can move more quickly than him.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by mr. dude » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:53 pm

I don't know where the CPS 2500 came from in the discussion (other than Obese Panda's thread), but in a direct comparison, according to isoaker's stats, the 1700 has more total capacity than the 2500.
Honestly, it's the same advice that I can give a 2500 user, you can last a very long time before refilling, but you can also drain your water quickly if you're not careful. Maximize your strengths, you have a range advantage (albeit a slight one) over most of today's soakers, and you have a fast stream.
Use your mobility, you have one of the most well-balanced soakers ever made.
What I forgot to say in Obese_Panda's thread is that the strategy obviously depends on the game-type. If you're having a general soakfest, take some tap shots as suppression fire, then when you have a direct shot opportunity blast away (then run away to repump). In a 1HK game, DX's post from the 2500 thread applies.

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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by DX » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:42 pm

you have one of the most well-balanced soakers ever made.
I still don't understand why everyone seems to praise 1500/1700 balance. The terrible balance is why I never use the 1500 in wars even though I own 5 of them. Unless the PC and reservoir are equally full, the thing jiggles and rocks back and forth like crazy. The pump kinda jiggles too, putting a ton of stress on your trigger hand. I think that the weight is horribly distributed up high. Balance is not just horizontal, it is also vertical. The 1500/1700 has its center of gravity a bit too high up. If it were lower, it wouldn't rock and jiggle so much. It's not as bad if you brace it with your pumping hand, but I like to keep that hand on the pump whenever possible and not to rebalance the front of a gun. It's also not as bad when you overload and keep the pressure high at all times...but sometimes you have to pulse or take that long shot and screw over the balance. I have the same complaint against the 1200, although it's more compact so you don't notice nearly as much. It also only rocks back because the reservoir is so big.

Other than that, the 1500/1700 is pretty much dead even against a 2500. There isn't much of an advantage to one or the other. The 2500 has a slight edge if you can get in close and deliver the 20x. But, you've got to be close enough that it's too fast to dodge effectively. Else, you could waste all that water. The 1500/1700 should have a bit higher tap shot capacity and more taps per pressurization. Switching between 10x and 5x is obviously better. A 2500 user has to memorize which way to twist it in the heat of battle, unless you've got visible tabs.

Purely performance-wise, the 1500/1700 is one of the most balanced guns in what it can do offensively or defensively and in a variety of game types. A user of that gun isn't easily bullied.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by Me_Soak_U » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:48 pm

Thanks to all for the tips. This is going to sound stupid but how does the nozzle selector on the 1700/1500 work? I've seen a picture of the front and only saw one nozzle. Thanks!
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by DX » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:58 pm

It's a tab at the top of the nozzle cover that you flip to the side and back. It's effortless to do and you never forget which nozzle is which since there's only two positions that the tab can be in.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by atvan » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:04 pm

There is a thing that sticks up that you turn. The nozzles are entirely encased in the front of the gun.

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I still don't understand why everyone seems to praise the 1500/1700 balance.

Purely performance-wise, the 1500/1700 is one of the most balanced guns.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by mr. dude » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:11 pm

I was talking about performance balance, not physical balance. In terms of physical balance, a Flash Flood shape is the best.
Personal thing, but front/back heavy soakers never bother me, I hardly ever notice the balance aspect in soakers.

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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by atvan » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:18 pm

The CPS 2100 is well balanced. The Flah Flood feels like its pulling me down, the weight is too far from my center. There is a good amount of weight on the grip hand, but just enought on the pump hqnd to make it feel balanced and to keep the pump in hand. Great gun. Sorry I crashed the 1500 party.

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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by DX » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:09 pm

I really feel weight imbalances because I tend to not use straps. The weight is on my arms and hands. Everyone has their quirks and it's one of mine - I feel less agile with a strap, same goes for backpacks. 2000/2500 balance is great to me.
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Re: Super soaker cps 1700 strategy

Post by marauder » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:12 am

While there are certainly more awkward designs than the 1700 (2700, MXL, Backfire) it certainly isn't the most ergonomic. The biggest problem I have with the 1700/1600 is the lack of a guided pump. I have seen 2 or 3 1700/1500s broken simply because someone dropped it with the pump extended. Also, the balance of the gun is rather goofy, as DX noted. The water in a 1700/1500 tank will slosh around a lot more than in a 2000/2500 or even 2100.

When I was younger I received a 1700 for my birthday the summer they were released. All I could see was POWER. The kids in the neighborhood used to call 10x "cannon mode" and I think that the 1500/1700s 10x nozzle is still beastly. I've used at least 8 of these guns and they all hit 45 ft in range. 1000s, 1200s, and 2100s I've used seem to vary more (but never exceed 45 ft) in their range, but you could always count on the 1500/1700 series to be second in power to no one on the battlefield - except the 2000 (we never had a 300.)

I've never owned a 2500 so I can't compare the guns from that perspective, but the 2500 was popular with our enemies during the Vermin Wars. From what I've seen, the 2500's 20x nozzle just doesn't do the same kind of damage as the 20x nozzle on the 3200. It just doesn't even seem close. When I think of the 2500's 20x nozzle I think "suppressed power." With that being said, the 2500 does have a guided pump, it does have a more sleak, streamlined body, and much better weight balance. I do feel like the pressure chamber is larger on the 1700 than on the 2500, and isoaker confirms this. From what I've seen, and others please let me know if this is an accurate statement, they get around the same range. With guns I've used It's been generally like this for range: CPS 2000 > CPS 3200 = 2500 = 1700 = 1500 with the occasional 1200, 1000, or 2100 getting those ranges. Of course, we are talking stock here. If I fix this 2500 in my closet, which a friend recently gave me, I may colossus or even replace the firing chamber. I am curious to see what kind of range the 2500 might achieve like this.

So, now to the topic of design. What larger/medium single piece (no backpack) guns feel best to me?

CPS 2000, CPS 2500, and SC 600 are my favorites by far.

I would really like the 2100 and 4100 if their rough edges had been smoothed out. This is one reason I like the 1200 more than the 1000. I'm not a fan of jagged edges on waterguns, even if it makes them look cool.
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