Trivia question: about ball valves

[isoaker]

Just when I thought I knew most things about Super Soakers, something always ends up surprising me.

In order to see if I've forgotten something, I'm posing this question to the group:
What Super Soaker and/or Nerf Super Soaker model uses a regular (non-Max-D) ball valve?

There are a lot of Water Warriors water blasters that use regular ball valves, but I'm having trouble naming even just one example of a Super Soaker/Nerf Super Soaker-branded water blaster that uses a normal, non-Max-D ball valve.

Edit: Update - just identified a couple. Anyone here know which model(s) they might be?

[HBWW]

All use regular ball valves. =p They just have different triggering systems for it.

The main non-Max-D, ball valve based, Hasbro-era SS that comes to mind is the Iron Man 2. I'm pretty sure any pre-CPS lever triggered air powered blaster uses a ball valve too, including XXP's and the SS300.

[isoaker]

All use regular ball valves. =p They just have different triggering systems for it.

The main non-Max-D, ball valve based, Hasbro-era SS that comes to mind is the Iron Man 2. I'm pretty sure any pre-CPS lever triggered air powered blaster uses a ball valve too, including XXP's and the SS300.

Nicely done! Not sure about the Iron Man 2, though. I recall seeing some thread about it, but the only internal pics I've seen of it are from a rather modified blaster and its upper "flood" nozzle still used the Max-D system.

As for Max-D being a regular ball valve with a different trigger system, point accepted and I'd agree with that assessment in one sense. However, for sake of argument, I'm classifying iMax-D valves as a different valve system since its operation results in slightly different (improved) stream performance that isn't easily replicated by the manually operated standard ball valve configuration.

[the oncoming storm]

Hydro Cannon has a huge ball valve and is non Max-D (which is why the trigger uses 2 fingers)

[soakinader]

Really guys?? There's quite a few...
SS300, XP250
XXP 275 (And NOT XXP 175, which is a pull valve)
Iron Man 2/Arctic Blaster is also MAX-D valve. Same goes for Flash Flood.
Secret Strike uses a MAX-D valve as well.
And yes, the Hydro Cannon.

[SEAL]

The Iron Man 2 blaster does not use a Max-D system. I've seen internal pictures. That, along with lever-trigger blasters and the HC are the only Nerf/Super Soakers I can think of at the moment that use regular ball valve mechanisms.

[isoaker]

The pics I've found of the Iron Man 2 shows its flood nozzle having a Max-D ball valve. I'd want to see pics of an opened, stock Iron Man 2 to see whether the stream nozzle is a non-Max-D ball valve.

That said, the handful of examples is far from the number of Max-D-using Super Soakers out there. I was actually surprised not to have found more, truthfully.

[HBWW]

The performance of a faster-opening valve is arguably irrelevant for shooting water. For air releases, it's much different since you're using a brief puff of air to launch a projectile. However, it is useful to categorize them differently because Max-D has important implications for the maintenance and ergonomics of a blaster. (i.e. More force required to pull trigger, provides more haptic feedback to when it's opened.)

Can't say much on the IM2/AB. All I know is that in the store, the IM2 trigger I tested out had a direct pull, and some previous poster confirmed that internally, it uses direct pull/spring as opposed to Max-D. I've messed around with AB's in the past and those use Max-D's.

Secret Strike's fan blast trigger system is direct spring, not Max-D. The small stream trigger system is Max-D though.