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Re: Latest Modification

Postby HBWW » Fri May 10, 2013 4:19 pm

The check valves generally need to be as close to the pump as possible, or it may be prone to lag issues. This is less of a problem for elastic powered systems or for systems with a separate air pump, but for standard air pressure designs, too much dead space between the pump and check valves can make it impossible to pre-pressurize to any useful level.

To simulate this for yourself, take any stock blaster and set it up so that you can't pump all the way. You can wrap duct tape around to stop the pump from going all the way in, or you can simply pretend that it can't. You can still draw water from empty internals this way, but only to an extent, depending on how much space there is before the water source. (Which determines how much air must be pumped out first; if it's too much, it may be impossible to pump without opening the firing valve.)

Stock blasters do not have this problem as the tubing and check valves are small and very close to each other. This is a common (and commonly ignored) design issue for homemades, depending on who's guide you follow. Point is, the reservoir is an absolutely horrible spot for the first check valve.

That said, Andrew already mentioned that the pump volume is only affected by the pump piston itself. (Pump diameter and stroke length in particular.) I just wanted to point out that any spot for check valves other than as close to the pump as possible is a terrible spot and is why stock blasters never do that.

I need to see a Gorgon myself to determine whether the intake tube is worth removing. I removed the one on my Colossus due to the enormous unused reservoir space and sloshing around, whereas I put one into the 2700 because of the same issue. Reservoir sloshing gets a lot of air into your final shots (when the res is running low) and is incredibly annoying. The end goal is to increase the amount of usable water in the reservoir, and sometimes you actually need an intake tube to do this. (Depending on whether the blaster design accounted for it or not.)

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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:46 pm

XP 110 with XXP 275 nozzle selector!

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Re: Latest Modification

Postby the oncoming storm » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:04 pm

hey thesoaker, is that a 10x nozzle?
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby marauder » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:17 pm

Ooo!!! Stats plzzzzz
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:59 pm

the oncoming storm wrote:hey thesoaker, is that a 10x nozzle?

Um. Yes it is but it can't support it at all LOL Riot blast maybe?

marauder wrote:Ooo!!! Stats plzzzzz


what kind of stats?
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby marauder » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:34 pm

TheSoaker wrote:what kind of stats?


Sorry, how far does each nozzle shoot? This was a really cool idea.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:28 pm

marauder wrote:
TheSoaker wrote:what kind of stats?


Sorry, how far does each nozzle shoot? This was a really cool idea.


1x: 29'
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby marauder » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:22 pm

I imagine you are probably losing some power through the length of the nozzle. A shorter nozzle prior to the selector would keep more power.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby soakinader » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:04 pm

HBWW wrote:I need to see a Gorgon myself to determine whether the intake tube is worth removing. I removed the one on my Colossus due to the enormous unused reservoir space and sloshing around, whereas I put one into the 2700 because of the same issue. Reservoir sloshing gets a lot of air into your final shots (when the res is running low) and is incredibly annoying. The end goal is to increase the amount of usable water in the reservoir, and sometimes you actually need an intake tube to do this. (Depending on whether the blaster design accounted for it or not.)


I'm pretty sure I removed the intake tube on one of my Orcas because it just wasn't working properly. If you tilt the gun forward while you pump you can suck the reservoir dry.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby the oncoming storm » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:05 pm

I Imagine that on the 2007 Orca it also has the added benefit of keeping air from getting sucked in during rapid pumping.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby marauder » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:36 am

I'm pretty sure I removed the intake tube from my Gorgon. The pump design doesn't help much either. I will replace it if I can find a suitable part.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:35 pm

XP 110 + CPS 1500 PC = XPS 1610!! : P


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Re: Latest Modification

Postby the oncoming storm » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:41 pm

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Ooh! stats PLZ.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby SEAL » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:14 pm

That's insane but the nozzle looks way too small for that PC. Range stats and shot pics would be awesome.
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:53 pm

SEAL wrote:That's insane but the nozzle looks way too small for that PC. Range stats and shot pics would be awesome.


No YOUR way to small for that PC! JK lol I have something better than shot pics: Shot vids! : D

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5X?
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:09 pm

WIP:

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Re: Latest Modification

Postby marauder » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:07 pm

What are you doing to your 110? Also how far does the 5x? nozzle shoot?
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:22 pm

marauder wrote:What are you doing to your 110? Also how far does the 5x? nozzle shoot?

I am motorizing it :P Also the 5x nozzle got around 39 feet due to the PC not being inline with the nozzle
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby marauder » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:16 am

39 feet is still an improvement. Why would you want to motorize it?
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Re: Latest Modification

Postby TheSoaker » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:11 am

marauder wrote:39 feet is still an improvement. Why would you want to motorize it?

because SCIENCE!
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