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Post by marauder » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:12 pm

In the interest of balancing teams this year (if that's what we want to do) I'm going to post stats from 2011's Downpour:
m = hits made, r = hits recieved; this counts all 1hk, 1hs, and hits in respawn games. This isn't completely acurate, but it's very close. Most ppl gave me slips of paper after a few of the battles, with the # of times they got hit, made hits, etc. and I made adjustments according to the videos.

M4: 23m,9r 3 wins, 1 loss, 1 tie
DX: 33m,10r 5 wins, 1 loss, 1 tie
Will: 24m,17r 3 wins, 3 losses, 1 tie
Rambo: 14m,17r 4 wins, 2 losses, 1 tie
Wetmonkey: 18m,12r 1 win, 4 losses, 1 tie
Seal: 19m,10r 3 wins, 3 losses, 1 tie
John: 8m,14r 0 wins, 6 losses, 1 tie
Keith: 13m,19r 1 win, 4 losses, 1 tie
Scott: 11m,44r 2 win, 3 losses, 1 tie


I still like the idea of a rivalry, but I also feel like some of the teams were unbalanced at times last year - twice horribly - and I just like some people should be given more of a chance. Perhaps we can have both rivalry and balance and DX and I should be on opposite teams more often. We only fought against each other twice last war, we tied one and both of us lost to SEAL in the 3 way AP only 1hk round.

Also, war's name is now Hydropocalypse.
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Re: Hydropocalypse Official Thread

Post by scottthewaterwarrior » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:53 pm

Oh man, 44 hits, I hope I do better this year. Though if you don't count that piston pumper round, I only had 19. This year if we do something like that again I want every one to use piston guns and I will not use my Helix!

I defiantly wouldn't complain for fairer teams, though I think the piston round was the only one that was really unbalanced, the first round on Saturday was only moderately unbalanced. And what's with the name change?
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Post by marauder » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:44 am

The problem wasn't your individual ability, it was the lack of organization within your team during the last 2 rounds. You played super agressive, and SEAL and his bros played conservative. That translated in 4 on 1 odds against you at least half the game... and yes I think Will's Stream Machine > your Helix. I don't think that the first round was that unbalanced in talent, you guys did outnumber us 5 to 4. We just pulled off an ambush.

Perhaps we should have DX and myself on opposing teams and SEAL and Wetmonkey on opposing teams. When it was me, Wetmonkey, Jack and Will vs Scott, DX, Will, SEAL, Seal's bros we fought to a stalemate, and it was very intense. Those were pretty good teams. If DX is truly bringing 5 CPS 2000s, then with his permission it'd probably be best to split our guns 3 per team. Wetmonkey, any update on how many people you are bringing?

The name was changed for various reasons. Everyone from Downpour 2011 is coming. Although a decent amount of my old team is going to show up, we aren't fighting against the original vermin, and the last Vermin War was in 2006. Lastly, the dynamics of this war will probably be a lot more like Downpour than the Vermin Wars... just larger like the Vermin Wars. How so? We will have multiple game types in multiple areas. In the Vermin Wars you were either playing team soakfest (1-3), team 1hk, or respawn CTF, you never switched up teams, and half the time there was only 1 major round. I loved the fierce competitive attitude that the wars had, much like the Ridgewood/Waterbridge wars I imagine. However, water warfare has evolved, and this new war will reflect that. I don't plan on switching up teams as much as at Downpour, but we will play lots of different game types.

I'm not going to reserve a campsite until I get home in a little over 2 weeks and am able to make a scouting trip of the site in person.
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Post by SEAL » Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:32 am

Wow, I love that stat list; the results are fairly predictable, but there are some surprises too. The fact that I was tied for 2nd place in hits received isn't surprising due to my defensive fighting style, but I am surprised at how many hits I landed (4th place.); I can't remember how many hits I made, but I figured that others would've had more. We should try to make a stat list for this war too!

I am really looking forward to this war. I'm going to try to be more of a threat on the battlefield this time, because at the last war, I hadn't faught much at all before then, so I was a little rusty. Not so much at fighting, but tactically, I was a little slow. It also didn't help that I was fighting with people that I'd never faught with (I didn't even fight with my brothers much before then.). I'm also in much better shape then I was last year too (I actually managed to run the whole 6 miles at the race last weekend!), and I plan to get even better by May...

Anyway, it looks like I will probably arrive at around 4:00 to 4:30 PM, instead of 3:00 like I originally said. How many campsites do you think we'll need for Saturday? We need to get a head count, and find out what kinds of tents everyone will be bringing. I'm bringing a 6-person tent, so we should have room for one more person, or maybe two if the 5th person is small. The park website said that up to 2 tents are allowed at a site.

Scott, what's your dad going to do? Is he going to stay for the whole thing? I guess he could film again. I really want a Go Pro, but I don't think I can scrape up the cash to get one. I'm going to bring a video camera either way, and I can try to film some of the rounds if I'm not participating (Fat chance at that... :goofy: ), or if I'm eliminated.
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Post by scottthewaterwarrior » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:12 am

My dad will probably stay for most the time, he plans to go sleep in a hotel, but other then lite at night he should be there. Not really sure what my plans are yet for me. I have at least one 2 (or 3 small) person tent, I will probably bring that and my and Bela will use it. If we can find a better way to mount it on the gun, I could play and film, it worked pretty well the last time until the tape wore off.

I certainly hope I do better this year, I've been running laps every day so I should be in reasonable shape by the time the event hits. I'm also going to try and keep my cool a little more, I'm usually a very defensive player like SEAL, I never even cross the line in tag CTF. I started out defensively last year, but during the CTF game the second day I lost it and just started charging all the time. In the last round I tried to go semi-defensive, running till I was almost in range, and trying to hold my ground while dodging shots with SEAL and his bros. But it wasn't until I was surrounded and outnumbered that I realized he hadn't followed me and I didn't even know where he was! XD

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Post by marauder » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:03 am

We will probably need 3 campsites. I most likely won't camp out with you guys on Saturday. I want to use that time to see my uncle (Rambo & Will's dad) as it will probably be the last chance I get to see him before they move. However, I will scout out the campsites for y'all and take some pics so you can have a better idea on which ones to reserve.

It will be interesting to see how everyone performs this year compared to last year. I hope everyone has improved due to last year's Downpour and any additional training.

Here's my tentative schedule for Friday:
Friday:
I assume most everyone will be here by 6. I'm going to order a bunch of pizzas for everyone. We can hang out and duel before then.
6-8pm film staged fights and custom scenario battling
8pm until: night fighting

Night fighting was a lot of fun at Downpour, but I want to try some new things. Please let me know what you think of the following game type that I came up with for the war:

Soul Harvester
This is a team game where each player has 2 souls (colored engineering tape). When a person gets hit they lose their soul. They must drop one of their tapes to the ground and must go back to a respawn point before entering the battle. Anyone on the opposing team may pick up the lost soul. If you get hit, your teammates are not allowed to save your lost soul. Souls count like lives in a videogame, therefore if you start out with 2, tag an enemy player and retriever their soul, you now have 3 lives. Souls can be traded within the team, therefore if your teammate gets hit and loses his last soul, you can give him one of your extra souls to keep him in the game. If you obtain an extra soul once someone is out of the game for good you cannot give the extra soul to someone beyond the grave and bring them back into the game. The game is over once one team has harvested everyone's soul and the other team has gone beyond the grave.

Soul Harvester, 1 life variant
This is quicker version of the above. Everyone starts with only 1 soul. If you get hit you are out for good unless your team has stolen an enemy's soul that they can give to you to keep you alive.
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Post by SEAL » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:13 pm

Update: I will be staying at my uncle's house the week before the battle, so that means I can be at M4's house whenever I want. So M4, what would be the ideal time? 3:00?

Your Soul Harvester game sounds like fun. We should definitely try it.
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Post by scottthewaterwarrior » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:00 pm

Sounds like I will need to take off school that Friday, or at least leave early to make that. If I stayed to the end of the day I doubt I could make it before 7:30 or 8. I'm trying to get in contact with Bela to make sure his parents are OK with him leaving school early, I can't reach him right now.

Edit: Just reached him, his mom is a little unsure about him missing school on Friday, but says most likely he can work something out and come!

That Soul Harvester game sound a little like what I did at the DCNO the one time I went, except you couldn't have more then two lives. We played it with pistols only, though with Nerf that is a little easier since you jam all the ammo in your pocket anyway. Maybe that is why they never let me join the DCNO group, the creator was mad that the noob with a borrowed blaster won the biggest round! :lol:
That game sound like fun, wouldn't mind a round or two. But at both the day and night battles, I wouldn't mind a few Soakfests, they are really fun if done right, and I kind of missed them at Downpour last year. But that's not to say we can't do other things, I just want to do more Soakfests then one, like we did last year.

Here would be a good game for night wars:
Point to Point: Basicly one team (probably larger then the other), has to cross a large area and make it to a base of some sort. The other team has to try and stop them through ambushes, charges, etc. Team A (the larger one), has 3 lives each, when they run out, they are eliminated. Team B has unlimited lives but must go back to a respawn point upon being hit. Basically the goal is for at least one member of Team A to make it to the base to win, while team B must stop them to win.
I'm sure it has some bugs in it, but I just thought of it on the spot so I'm sure it's not perfect.

Just realized something, did you ever give us the address of your house? If we are going to camp there the first night I would need to know where it is. If you could put it on the first post or PM us or something, that would be great!
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Post by DX » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:33 pm

That Soul Harvester game sound a little like what I did at the DCNO the one time I went, except you couldn't have more then two lives. We played it with pistols only,
^ That would be Gunslinger's Heaven.

My only concern with the gametype is that being able to trade souls might make it go on forever. One team will really have to gain momentum in order to eliminate people for good. If you can't trade souls, it also becomes much more tactical.
I just want to do more Soakfests then one, like we did last year.
^ Should have camped out :p We had two soakfests, one at night.

Point to Point sounds good, but there might have to be a pre-set route. It could be broken by Team A sneaking around the very edge of the playing area, resulting in no contact made. Another variation of that would be an Escort game where you have to get a VIP down the preset route and to the base. Everyone on both teams has inf respawn, except the VIP, who plays OHK. If Team A loses their VIP, they lose the game immediately. To make the VIP more dangerous, he/she has the best gun on the field and taking a hit from the VIP results in OHK. The VIP can be made stronger or weaker until the right balance is struck. This is an awesome and intense type of game to play at night.
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Post by scottthewaterwarrior » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:03 pm

I know, that is why I made sure I would be camping out this year, both at Downpour and Hydropocolyps. (probably spelled that worse then anyone, but I can't see... oh wait it's right at the top! fail! :soaked: ) Anyway...

I think there is a game type called VIP now that I think about it, I forgot about that. Yes, mine would defiantly need a set coarse to work, the idea was to play it along a trail or something, make a rule where they couldn't go more then 20ft off it or something. I was also thinking that the enemies respawn point would be only a little farther down the trail then teams A's objective. Sounds like we have a lot of nice, none traditional ideas for this war.

Any ideas on the filming? Do we have any ideas or are we just going to make it up as we go? I'm still working on my camera on the gun idea, it actually works really well and you get some great battle footage, but right now I'm just using tape which wears off once it gets too wet. I could just use more tape, but any ideas of other ways to mount a camera to a gun? The camera I have is about the size and shape of a blackberry phone.
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Post by marauder » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:40 am

Soul Harvester would take a while, but we could put a time limit on it, and have everyone start out with 1 life instead of 2. There is going to be very little natural illumination on Friday, I just checked the lunar calender. We may need to use colored glowsticks or something else as a method of identification, so you know what team people are on at night. They could be covered up by bushes etc so you could hide, but if you're out in the open people would know what team you're on.

3 is a good time to be at the house SEAL. We could play 3 on 3 until everyone else gets here, cuz I'll have my sister and gf with me.
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Post by HBWW » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:31 am

I like the Soul Harvester idea, though unfortunately, I may not have a say in it. Again. The situation changed again and I don't think I can make it anymore (whereas previously, I had a chance to go on if enough things went right, but that's not happening), so count me out unless I say otherwise later.

But hey, no surprises here. My attendance probability for last year's CommWar fluctuated like a sound wave just as well as it is right now.

I'll do my best, but my best hasn't gotten me anywhere so far. =\ I will most likely be working or taking a summer class but the issue's more complicated than just that.
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Post by Belisaurius » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:14 am

Hey everyone, it's been a while for me but I think I'm gonna make it to this and I am up for anything!

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Post by wetmonkey442 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:28 am

Nice to see you Belisaurius!

Looks like team "South" is going to have their work cut out for them.
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Post by marauder » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:51 am

wetmonkey442 wrote:Looks like team "South" is going to have their work cut out for them.
Don't worry homie, I got somethin special planned for you... I was savin' it for SEAL, but I think you just bought the rights.
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Post by scottthewaterwarrior » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:19 am

I live right in the middle (technically DC is in the south though), so I can really be on ether team if things are unbalanced. What are the teams going to be anyway? I am curios what this "surprise" is.

Also I think we should start talking about the movie we are going to make to, in my experience planning it last minute does't work too well. Oh man, I am so hyped for this, I really need to organize at least a small local war before then or else I am going to go nuts!
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Post by marauder » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:50 am

Although I've wanted some kind of rivalry, I've realized that having permanent teams throughought the year is a huge component of having a rivalry. We don't have those real teams, and you can't force rivalries to come about. So, I think we will mix teams up, but not as much as at Downpour. To keep teams balanced it will probably be best to split DX and myself, and SEAL and Wetmonkey. This doesn't mean we will have perfectly fair teams, but it should help.

SEAL is getting here first and I am looking forward to going 3 on 3 against him. Me with my gf and sister, SEAL with his brothers. We could use these as foundations to build our teams on, at least for the rest of Friday.


For the movie, we really just need a bunch of action scenes that we can put together. I have a few ideas of scenes we could film Friday after everyone gets here. We need a wbl bombardment scene. We could bombard some defenders in my treefort. We need a flag capture scene, something very dramatic. Another idea I came up with is having someone slide in for the kill, like youd slide into base. A big battle is going on and 2 people are going toe to toe in the middle of it. The person who makes the kill slides in under the other person's shot and takes him out at close range with a big blast. We could also have a scene involving the culvert/tunnel that goes under the road. It would look cool to have people coming through the tunnel, or getting trapped under there. I'm also willing to jump off my roof onto the back deck to shoot someone. I've jumped off the roof before, so I know I can do it without getting hurt.


Also, everyone needs to bring at least 1 air pressure or piston gun. Please let me know what AP gun(s) you are planning on bringing, DX and I are working on a project with this.
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Post by SEAL » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:10 pm

marauder4 wrote:
wetmonkey442 wrote:Looks like team "South" is going to have their work cut out for them.
Don't worry homie, I got somethin special planned for you... I was savin' it for SEAL, but I think you just bought the rights.
Is this good or bad? :goofy:

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Post by DX » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:05 pm

I think that rivalries should be set up with different sets in different gametypes. For example, if it goes M4+Wetmonkey vs me+Seal in OHK, it would go M4+Seal vs me+Wetmonkey in OHS. Meanwhile, we could go North vs South in air pressure only. Special objective rounds like territories, attack/defend, VIP, etc. would probably be better done North vs South, but could use either of the OHK/OHS sets. This way, everyone could experience being on a team with everyone else, yet your rivalry is dead serious within each game family. The one exception is CTF - I think that should be as balanced as possible regardless of the rival sets. CTF at Downpour was one hell of a draw and one of the best rounds of all due to how tough it was. Course, this is just one opinion.

At some point I do want to be on a team with M4. All the serious game setups make that unlikely, and I can see why, but it would be nice for one of the objective gametypes. I also would love to have a more serious OHS round, with regular primaries and like 5 minute respawn or spawn points that are really far away. The type we played at Downpour in Thunder Gulch was fun in its own right, but very fast and with a crapload of hits. I'm used to that gametype returning baseball scores. I got killed more in 10 minutes there than in 4 whole Ridgewood wars. And it was only like 3 hits at that.
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Post by the oncoming storm » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:19 am

Sound like fun shame I can't come
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